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    The Hebrews were as warlike and agessive as the oters in the rgion. It wqs a tough neighborhood and they last out to stronger powers.

    There is an OT dicate to eradicate a particular group.

    A Christian characteristic is Jewish apologetics. One I knew credted ancient Jews with inveting everything.

    The Israei Zionisrsts today exenlified bt Netantahu belive they have a biblical god given right to what was Isreal 2000 yeras ago and the right to exckude others.

    Palestinians are being subjected to a slow motion ethnic cleansing, Isreali conservatives want Jeruslame purged. Land is siezed, Israelis build and colonize.

    American Christians tend to look the other way and give them a pass.
    The Palestinian Jews declared a stte and excluded non Jews, Arabs inside at the declaration were allowed to stay.

    It is difficult to get Israeli citizenship if you are not Jewish.

    If you want an example of a racist state, that wold be Israel. Being Jewish is usually based on the maternal blood line, racial purity. Conservative Jews are mysoginistic. There are anti gay neighborhoods in Israel. It is not all Israelis, but some.

    From my experience Jews are like most people with a broad spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    What works best for the mainstream religions seems to be to honor a genocidal god and their homophobic and misogynous religions.

    I need know nothing else to recognize their evil ways.

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    Are you talking about Islam or Christianity now? They're pretty much identical on just the things you mentioned
    Yes. They are the mainstream.

    I would include the Jews, but today they are small and mostly atheist, IMO, and they never used inquisitions or Jihads to grow their religion.

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    Inquisitions were never used to grow their religion. The inquisition was introduced to stop bogey men. Their enemies were fantasies. They operated in a world with a, near 100% adherence to Christianity.

    Jihad just means doing a good deed for the Islamic community. The most common form of Jihad was helping out at your local mosque, or helping out building new one. Not even all Islamic wars were Jihad. Jihads were pretty specific activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The Hebrews were as warlike and agessive as the oters in the rgion. It wqs a tough neighborhood and they last out to stronger powers.

    There is an OT dicate to eradicate a particular group.

    A Christian characteristic is Jewish apologetics. One I knew credted ancient Jews with inveting everything.

    The Israei Zionisrsts today exenlified bt Netantahu belive they have a biblical god given right to what was Isreal 2000 yeras ago and the right to exckude others.

    Palestinians are being subjected to a slow motion ethnic cleansing, Isreali conservatives want Jeruslame purged. Land is siezed, Israelis build and colonize.

    American Christians tend to look the other way and give them a pass.
    The Palestinian Jews declared a stte and excluded non Jews, Arabs inside at the declaration were allowed to stay.

    It is difficult to get Israeli citizenship if you are not Jewish.

    If you want an example of a racist state, that wold be Israel. Being Jewish is usually based on the maternal blood line, racial purity. Conservative Jews are mysoginistic. There are anti gay neighborhoods in Israel. It is not all Israelis, but some.

    From my experience Jews are like most people with a broad spectrum.
    FYI, This is all antisemitic propaganda. It's almost entirely lies.

    Don't buy into bullshit from any extremist

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The Hebrews were as warlike and agessive as the oters in the rgion. It wqs a tough neighborhood and they last out to stronger powers.

    There is an OT dicate to eradicate a particular group.

    A Christian characteristic is Jewish apologetics. One I knew credted ancient Jews with inveting everything.

    The Israei Zionisrsts today exenlified bt Netantahu belive they have a biblical god given right to what was Isreal 2000 yeras ago and the right to exckude others.

    Palestinians are being subjected to a slow motion ethnic cleansing, Isreali conservatives want Jeruslame purged. Land is siezed, Israelis build and colonize.

    American Christians tend to look the other way and give them a pass.
    The Palestinian Jews declared a stte and excluded non Jews, Arabs inside at the declaration were allowed to stay.

    It is difficult to get Israeli citizenship if you are not Jewish.

    If you want an example of a racist state, that wold be Israel. Being Jewish is usually based on the maternal blood line, racial purity. Conservative Jews are mysoginistic. There are anti gay neighborhoods in Israel. It is not all Israelis, but some.

    From my experience Jews are like most people with a broad spectrum.
    FYI, This is all antisemitic propaganda. It's almost entirely lies.

    Don't buy into bullshit from any extremist
    Calling out Isreal for its actions is nit anti semetiic. I liste d to an Israeli woman on BBC who wrote a book n the conservative Jewish propaganda.

    It was obvious for a long time with Netanyahu who finaly sad on caera Israel has a god given right to tale land from Palestinians. The ultra conservative Israelis mirror American Christian conservatives.

    An Israeli professor wrote a book on how the Jewish narrative of an unbroken line back to Moses is false. It was a best seller in Israel.

    There is opposition in Israel, we only hear the conservative side /propaganda.

    As to ancient Hebrews, I had a thread on the 613 rules, one was an order to eradicate a rival group.

    Jews are no different than anyone else.

    We can go back to the Israeli invasion of Egypt in concert with Europeans. At that time there was no cause for Israel.

    There are positives and negatives for Israel like any nation. Netanyahu was an Israeli Trump, now gone.

    The founding of Israel as a safe haven for Jews post war is certainly understandable, but they still have to be accountable for actions.

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    Where are some gods? Maybe they died. Yes, they said they were eternal. But saying so doesn't mean it is so. Hitler said the Wehrmacht was invincible. We know how that turned out. Maybe Leslie Fish was right when she had Ishmael say that gods need worship for food. Maybe when some gods stopped being worshiped they starved to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The Hebrews were as warlike and agessive as the oters in the rgion. It wqs a tough neighborhood and they last out to stronger powers.

    There is an OT dicate to eradicate a particular group.

    A Christian characteristic is Jewish apologetics. One I knew credted ancient Jews with inveting everything.

    The Israei Zionisrsts today exenlified bt Netantahu belive they have a biblical god given right to what was Isreal 2000 yeras ago and the right to exckude others.

    Palestinians are being subjected to a slow motion ethnic cleansing, Isreali conservatives want Jeruslame purged. Land is siezed, Israelis build and colonize.

    American Christians tend to look the other way and give them a pass.
    The Palestinian Jews declared a stte and excluded non Jews, Arabs inside at the declaration were allowed to stay.

    It is difficult to get Israeli citizenship if you are not Jewish.

    If you want an example of a racist state, that wold be Israel. Being Jewish is usually based on the maternal blood line, racial purity. Conservative Jews are mysoginistic. There are anti gay neighborhoods in Israel. It is not all Israelis, but some.

    From my experience Jews are like most people with a broad spectrum.
    FYI, This is all antisemitic propaganda. It's almost entirely lies.

    Don't buy into bullshit from any extremist
    Calling out Isreal for its actions is nit anti semetiic. I liste d to an Israeli woman on BBC who wrote a book n the conservative Jewish propaganda.

    It was obvious for a long time with Netanyahu who finaly sad on caera Israel has a god given right to tale land from Palestinians. The ultra conservative Israelis mirror American Christian conservatives.

    An Israeli professor wrote a book on how the Jewish narrative of an unbroken line back to Moses is false. It was a best seller in Israel.

    There is opposition in Israel, we only hear the conservative side /propaganda.

    As to ancient Hebrews, I had a thread on the 613 rules, one was an order to eradicate a rival group.

    Jews are no different than anyone else.

    We can go back to the Israeli invasion of Egypt in concert with Europeans. At that time there was no cause for Israel.

    There are positives and negatives for Israel like any nation. Netanyahu was an Israeli Trump, now gone.

    The founding of Israel as a safe haven for Jews post war is certainly understandable, but they still have to be accountable for actions.
    Israel had no cause to invade Egypt?! No cause other than massing their forces on Israel's border to invade, signaling that they would invade, and cutting off the Straits of Tiran. Are you of the opinion that Egypt had no intention of invading Israel? It was just a misunderstanding on their part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The Hebrews were as warlike and agessive as the oters in the rgion. It wqs a tough neighborhood and they last out to stronger powers.

    There is an OT dicate to eradicate a particular group.

    A Christian characteristic is Jewish apologetics. One I knew credted ancient Jews with inveting everything.

    The Israei Zionisrsts today exenlified bt Netantahu belive they have a biblical god given right to what was Isreal 2000 yeras ago and the right to exckude others.

    Palestinians are being subjected to a slow motion ethnic cleansing, Isreali conservatives want Jeruslame purged. Land is siezed, Israelis build and colonize.

    American Christians tend to look the other way and give them a pass.
    The Palestinian Jews declared a stte and excluded non Jews, Arabs inside at the declaration were allowed to stay.

    It is difficult to get Israeli citizenship if you are not Jewish.

    If you want an example of a racist state, that wold be Israel. Being Jewish is usually based on the maternal blood line, racial purity. Conservative Jews are mysoginistic. There are anti gay neighborhoods in Israel. It is not all Israelis, but some.

    From my experience Jews are like most people with a broad spectrum.
    FYI, This is all antisemitic propaganda. It's almost entirely lies.

    Don't buy into bullshit from any extremist
    Calling out Isreal for its actions is nit anti semetiic. I liste d to an Israeli woman on BBC who wrote a book n the conservative Jewish propaganda.

    It was obvious for a long time with Netanyahu who finaly sad on caera Israel has a god given right to tale land from Palestinians. The ultra conservative Israelis mirror American Christian conservatives.

    An Israeli professor wrote a book on how the Jewish narrative of an unbroken line back to Moses is false. It was a best seller in Israel.

    There is opposition in Israel, we only hear the conservative side /propaganda.

    As to ancient Hebrews, I had a thread on the 613 rules, one was an order to eradicate a rival group.

    Jews are no different than anyone else.

    We can go back to the Israeli invasion of Egypt in concert with Europeans. At that time there was no cause for Israel.

    There are positives and negatives for Israel like any nation. Netanyahu was an Israeli Trump, now gone.

    The founding of Israel as a safe haven for Jews post war is certainly understandable, but they still have to be accountable for actions.
    Your description of events is absurdly simplistic. Netanyahu as a conservative has to juggle the whims and wishes of the religious whackjobs in his country. All Trump needed to do was to not be a Democrat. As long as he did that he'd have the support of the Evangelicals, no matter how many pussies he grabbed. Netanyahu didn't have that luxury. I too think Netanyahu is a terrible person. I am a liberal. But, come on. You're full on antisemtic propaganda on this guy. The western left has a strong antisemetic streak in it. Don't be those guys. You can criticize Israel for all their faults, (there's plenty of them) without resorting to the crazy accusations for fantasy crimes.

    The Israeli constitution is a fully modern liberal democratic constitution that respects and protects basic human rights. While it's easy for Jews to get citizenship in Israel. It's not that hard for Palestinians with family connections to Israel to get citizenship either. It's like becoming a citizen in any western country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    Calling out Isreal for its actions is nit anti semetiic. I liste d to an Israeli woman on BBC who wrote a book n the conservative Jewish propaganda.

    It was obvious for a long time with Netanyahu who finaly sad on caera Israel has a god given right to tale land from Palestinians. The ultra conservative Israelis mirror American Christian conservatives.

    An Israeli professor wrote a book on how the Jewish narrative of an unbroken line back to Moses is false. It was a best seller in Israel.

    There is opposition in Israel, we only hear the conservative side /propaganda.

    As to ancient Hebrews, I had a thread on the 613 rules, one was an order to eradicate a rival group.

    Jews are no different than anyone else.

    We can go back to the Israeli invasion of Egypt in concert with Europeans. At that time there was no cause for Israel.

    There are positives and negatives for Israel like any nation. Netanyahu was an Israeli Trump, now gone.

    The founding of Israel as a safe haven for Jews post war is certainly understandable, but they still have to be accountable for actions.
    Your description of events is absurdly simplistic. Netanyahu as a conservative has to juggle the whims and wishes of the religious whackjobs in his country. All Trump needed to do was to not be a Democrat. As long as he did that he'd have the support of the Evangelicals, no matter how many pussies he grabbed. Netanyahu didn't have that luxury. I too think Netanyahu is a terrible person. I am a liberal. But, come on. You're full on antisemtic propaganda on this guy. The western left has a strong antisemetic streak in it. Don't be those guys. You can criticize Israel for all their faults, (there's plenty of them) without resorting to the crazy accusations for fantasy crimes.

    The Israeli constitution is a fully modern liberal democratic constitution that respects and protects basic human rights. While it's easy for Jews to get citizenship in Israel. It's not that hard for Palestinians with family connections to Israel to get citizenship either. It's like becoming a citizen in any western country.
    This is a political discussion. There has been many threads on the political forum. on Israel. The UN has published reports on the displacement of Palestinians from their homes. When asked by a reporter on cemera about Israel seizing a Palestinian farm for settlement Netanyahu relied what's the big deal, it is just a small pieces of land.

    I have looked at Is

    An Israeli foeman wrote a book about the storytelling of Netanyahu and his false narratives, she was labeled a trator by the right. Decades back an Israeli professor wrote a book on how Israel was founded on a myth, it was a bestseller i Israel.

    I knew a Jewish man who emmigrated to Israel, he went threw an exhaustive process looking into his Jewish credentials and references.

    Isreal generally has westerns liberties and values, and like the west there is collusion and power trading between religion and government. Netanyahu came to power making concessions to the Jewish conservatives.

    Israel has a demographic problem It was founded by and for Jews. In order to maintain that they can not have one state solution. They loose a political majority. Israel wants to stay Jewish. Israel can not open o larhe scale non Jewish immigration like the west, Israel woud no long be Jewsih.
    This is mainstream political analysis, no conspiracy theory.

    In the 90s the Israeli govt acknowledged Arabs in Israeli we ted analogous to our Jim Crow, discriminations in housing, financial, and goby services.

    Israel led the west on gay rights and marriage. Positives and negatives.

    On the plus side Israel created a modern state in the middle of a sea of shit and chaos, no small thing.

    I knew a Jewish woman in the 70s who married a Catholic man. I met her parents, they were ok with it. Some in her extended family shunned her, treating her lke a non person. Jews have their own set of bias and prejudice.

    Jews are the same as anyone. Israel has its positives and negatives as do we in the USA.

    Note that under the Brits there Jews labeled terrorists, like Menachim Begin. There were terror bombings by Jews.

    I look at both the Palestinians side and the Israeli side. Both have valid grievances and questionable actions.

    If I met a Jew I neither look down or give any special recognition, I look at who the person is. Gay, straight, black, white, or Jew all the same people to me.


    I suggest taking a balanced view taking into account all sides and issues, it is not one sided as the Jewish propaganda plays it to America conservatives.

    Those are my views that developed over time. If you consider that prejudiced or right wing rhetoric that is your prerogative.
    r
    I would say you views are simplistic and apologetic.

    We can take it up on politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    Calling out Isreal for its actions is nit anti semetiic. I liste d to an Israeli woman on BBC who wrote a book n the conservative Jewish propaganda.

    It was obvious for a long time with Netanyahu who finaly sad on caera Israel has a god given right to tale land from Palestinians. The ultra conservative Israelis mirror American Christian conservatives.

    An Israeli professor wrote a book on how the Jewish narrative of an unbroken line back to Moses is false. It was a best seller in Israel.

    There is opposition in Israel, we only hear the conservative side /propaganda.

    As to ancient Hebrews, I had a thread on the 613 rules, one was an order to eradicate a rival group.

    Jews are no different than anyone else.

    We can go back to the Israeli invasion of Egypt in concert with Europeans. At that time there was no cause for Israel.

    There are positives and negatives for Israel like any nation. Netanyahu was an Israeli Trump, now gone.

    The founding of Israel as a safe haven for Jews post war is certainly understandable, but they still have to be accountable for actions.
    Your description of events is absurdly simplistic. Netanyahu as a conservative has to juggle the whims and wishes of the religious whackjobs in his country. All Trump needed to do was to not be a Democrat. As long as he did that he'd have the support of the Evangelicals, no matter how many pussies he grabbed. Netanyahu didn't have that luxury. I too think Netanyahu is a terrible person. I am a liberal. But, come on. You're full on antisemtic propaganda on this guy. The western left has a strong antisemetic streak in it. Don't be those guys. You can criticize Israel for all their faults, (there's plenty of them) without resorting to the crazy accusations for fantasy crimes.

    The Israeli constitution is a fully modern liberal democratic constitution that respects and protects basic human rights. While it's easy for Jews to get citizenship in Israel. It's not that hard for Palestinians with family connections to Israel to get citizenship either. It's like becoming a citizen in any western country.
    This is a political discussion. There has been many threads on the political forum. on Israel. The UN has published reports on the displacement of Palestinians from their homes. When asked by a reporter on cemera about Israel seizing a Palestinian farm for settlement Netanyahu relied what's the big deal, it is just a small pieces of land.

    I have looked at Is

    An Israeli foeman wrote a book about the storytelling of Netanyahu and his false narratives, she was labeled a trator by the right. Decades back an Israeli professor wrote a book on how Israel was founded on a myth, it was a bestseller i Israel.

    I knew a Jewish man who emmigrated to Israel, he went threw an exhaustive process looking into his Jewish credentials and references.

    Isreal generally has westerns liberties and values, and like the west there is collusion and power trading between religion and government. Netanyahu came to power making concessions to the Jewish conservatives.

    Israel has a demographic problem It was founded by and for Jews. In order to maintain that they can not have one state solution. They loose a political majority. Israel wants to stay Jewish. Israel can not open o larhe scale non Jewish immigration like the west, Israel woud no long be Jewsih.
    This is mainstream political analysis, no conspiracy theory.

    In the 90s the Israeli govt acknowledged Arabs in Israeli we ted analogous to our Jim Crow, discriminations in housing, financial, and goby services.

    Israel led the west on gay rights and marriage. Positives and negatives.

    On the plus side Israel created a modern state in the middle of a sea of shit and chaos, no small thing.

    I knew a Jewish woman in the 70s who married a Catholic man. I met her parents, they were ok with it. Some in her extended family shunned her, treating her lke a non person. Jews have their own set of bias and prejudice.

    Jews are the same as anyone. Israel has its positives and negatives as do we in the USA.

    Note that under the Brits there Jews labeled terrorists, like Menachim Begin. There were terror bombings by Jews.

    I look at both the Palestinians side and the Israeli side. Both have valid grievances and questionable actions.

    If I met a Jew I neither look down or give any special recognition, I look at who the person is. Gay, straight, black, white, or Jew all the same people to me.


    I suggest taking a balanced view taking into account all sides and issues, it is not one sided as the Jewish propaganda plays it to America conservatives.

    Those are my views that developed over time. If you consider that prejudiced or right wing rhetoric that is your prerogative.
    r
    I would say you views are simplistic and apologetic.

    We can take it up on politics.
    Yes, we definitely need another thread in Politics about Israel!
    Last edited by Harry Bosch; 07-27-2021 at 02:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    This is a political discussion. There has been many threads on the political forum. on Israel. The UN has published reports on the displacement of Palestinians from their homes. When asked by a reporter on cemera about Israel seizing a Palestinian farm for settlement Netanyahu relied what's the big deal, it is just a small pieces of land.

    I have looked at Is

    An Israeli foeman wrote a book about the storytelling of Netanyahu and his false narratives, she was labeled a trator by the right. Decades back an Israeli professor wrote a book on how Israel was founded on a myth, it was a bestseller i Israel.

    I knew a Jewish man who emmigrated to Israel, he went threw an exhaustive process looking into his Jewish credentials and references.

    Isreal generally has westerns liberties and values, and like the west there is collusion and power trading between religion and government. Netanyahu came to power making concessions to the Jewish conservatives.

    Israel has a demographic problem It was founded by and for Jews. In order to maintain that they can not have one state solution. They loose a political majority. Israel wants to stay Jewish. Israel can not open o larhe scale non Jewish immigration like the west, Israel woud no long be Jewsih.
    This is mainstream political analysis, no conspiracy theory.

    In the 90s the Israeli govt acknowledged Arabs in Israeli we ted analogous to our Jim Crow, discriminations in housing, financial, and goby services.

    Israel led the west on gay rights and marriage. Positives and negatives.

    On the plus side Israel created a modern state in the middle of a sea of shit and chaos, no small thing.

    I knew a Jewish woman in the 70s who married a Catholic man. I met her parents, they were ok with it. Some in her extended family shunned her, treating her lke a non person. Jews have their own set of bias and prejudice.

    Jews are the same as anyone. Israel has its positives and negatives as do we in the USA.

    Note that under the Brits there Jews labeled terrorists, like Menachim Begin. There were terror bombings by Jews.

    I look at both the Palestinians side and the Israeli side. Both have valid grievances and questionable actions.

    If I met a Jew I neither look down or give any special recognition, I look at who the person is. Gay, straight, black, white, or Jew all the same people to me.


    I suggest taking a balanced view taking into account all sides and issues, it is not one sided as the Jewish propaganda plays it to America conservatives.

    Those are my views that developed over time. If you consider that prejudiced or right wing rhetoric that is your prerogative.
    r
    I would say you views are simplistic and apologetic.

    We can take it up on politics.
    Yes, we definitely need another thread on Politics about Israel!
    It always ends up in the same place, nowhere.

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