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    ACLU blocks woman's request for data on numbers of transgender inmates in women's prisons

    ACLU blocks woman's request for data on numbers of transgender inmates in women's prisons | The Post Millennial

    A woman was interested to know how many inmates in Washington state identify as transgender, and how many of those transgender identified inmates have been given transfers to go from men's prison to women's prison, and the reverse. To get this information, she filed a Freedom on Information Act request. Instead of getting the information she requested, she got sued by the ACLU.


    To be clear, at no point had this woman contacted the ACLU to tell them she was filing a FOIA. She had used ACLU resources to figure out how to file a FOIA, but that was freely available on their website. The state of Washington is under no obligation to let the ACLU know about every FOIA request they receive, so it remains entirely unclear as to how the ACLU became aware of this woman's FOIA in the first place.
    Nonetheless, instead of receiving the information she requested, she received an injunction. The ACLU has filed a lawsuit against a private citizen for requesting public records from the Washington State Department of Corrections on the number of inmates in state custody who identify as transgender and the number of male inmates who are housed in women's facilities.
    The woman, who didn't want to be named given the sensitive nature of this peculiar situation, submitted her public records request on March 18, 2021.


    The Washington Public Records Act guarantees that citizens have the right to access public records, and requires the government to respond to requests within five days. Only personal student or patient information, employee files, and some investigative records are exempt.
    Yet by April 8, instead of the information she requested, she received an email that the ACLU of Washington Foundation and Disability Rights Washington, along with their clients "who are current and former transgender, non-binary, and intersex inmates and in the custody of Washington Department of Corrections," had personally named her in a lawsuit to prevent the information she requested from being released.
    The email stated, "We have filed for an emergency Temporary Restraining Order and a Motion for Preliminary Injunction to prevent the disclosure of documents you have requested from the Department of Corrections."
    In a twist of irony that no screenwriter could have the audacity to add to their movie, the FOI applicant found out how to file FOI requests FROM THE ACLU

    "I decided to seek the data myself through public records requests because citizens have a right to know about what the government is doing in our name. I'm appalled that an organization like the ACLU, whose own resources helped me make this request, would try to stop a citizen from exercising their rights."

    This latest move is hardly a surprise from the ideologically captured ACLU, whose head transactivist has called for the stopping of circulation of books he doesn't like:
    ACLU lawyer calls for censorship of books that criticize the promotion of transgenderism in children | The Post Millennial

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    Are you opposed to transgender activism in general or just this particular action by the ACLU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    Are you opposed to transgender activism in general or just this particular action by the ACLU?
    With respect to the ACLU, it went from an organisation that once had the cojones to have defended the KKK's right to march in the street, to an organisation that lies day and night about trans issues (especially under their Transliar-in-Chief Chase Strangio), and now has taken the most anti civil-libertarian position I can think of: blocking a citizen's right to know what her government is doing.

    But the ACLU is simply another institution captured by trans ideology. Unlike some other people and institutions though, we might have expected the ACLU to know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    Are you opposed to transgender activism in general or just this particular action by the ACLU?
    But the ACLU is simply another institution captured by trans ideology.
    Oh, now being trans is an "ideology."

    Pray tell, what are the tenets of this ideology?

    Let me guess...suggesting that trans people have rights is a belief system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    Are you opposed to transgender activism in general or just this particular action by the ACLU?
    With respect to the ACLU, it went from an organisation that once had the cojones to have defended the KKK's right to march in the street, to an organisation that lies day and night about trans issues (especially under their Transliar-in-Chief Chase Strangio), and now has taken the most anti civil-libertarian position I can think of: blocking a citizen's right to know what her government is doing.

    But the ACLU is simply another institution captured by trans ideology. Unlike some other people and institutions though, we might have expected the ACLU to know better.
    It does seem bizarre that the ACLU would take legal action to block an FOI request. It's just information, after all.

    As for trans ideology: what position do you think the ACLU should be taking when it comes to trans people? Should the ACLU defend people's right to have a trans identity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford View Post
    Oh, now being trans is an "ideology."
    No. Being trans is having a gender identity that is different to your actual sex. Trans ideology is a set of beliefs and demands that range from ridiculous (like that sexual orientation is based on gender and not sex) to the dangerous (to gender non-confirming children and women in prisons). Most people who peddle trans ideology are not trans, and there are trans people who do not peddle trans ideology.

    Pray tell, what are the tenets of this ideology?
    I'll list off some:
    * There is no such thing as same-sex attraction: homosexuals are same-gender attracted. (This is a ridiculous lie that hurts gay and lesbian people).
    * Having a gender identity of 'female' is the sole determinant of being female. That is, any person, no matter what their actual sex is, who utters 'I am female', is biologically female. (Vice versa for gender identity 'male').
    * Transwomen are murdered at an alarming rate and it is happening to them because they are trans (no evidence for this is ever produced)
    * Transwomen and transgirls, including transwomen and transgirls who have had no transition process whatsoever, do not have any advantage in playing sports and they deserve to play sports in the team that accords with their gender identity (and not their sex).
    * Anything other than total and unconditional affirmation of gender identity is erasing trans lives.
    * Preverbal children can signal their trans status by (for example) removing bows that are put into their hair.

    Let me guess...suggesting that trans people have rights is a belief system...
    Well, that's a belief. It isn't a belief system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
    Are you opposed to transgender activism in general or just this particular action by the ACLU?
    With respect to the ACLU, it went from an organisation that once had the cojones to have defended the KKK's right to march in the street, to an organisation that lies day and night about trans issues (especially under their Transliar-in-Chief Chase Strangio), and now has taken the most anti civil-libertarian position I can think of: blocking a citizen's right to know what her government is doing.

    But the ACLU is simply another institution captured by trans ideology. Unlike some other people and institutions though, we might have expected the ACLU to know better.
    It does seem bizarre that the ACLU would take legal action to block an FOI request. It's just information, after all.

    As for trans ideology: what position do you think the ACLU should be taking when it comes to trans people? Should the ACLU defend people's right to have a trans identity?
    I do not know what it means to defend somebody's right to have a 'trans identity'. Do you have an example in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post

    I'll list off some:
    * There is no such thing as same-sex attraction: homosexuals are same-gender attracted. (This is a ridiculous lie that hurts gay and lesbian people).
    * Having a gender identity of 'female' is the sole determinant of being female. That is, any person, no matter what their actual sex is, who utters 'I am female', is biologically female. (Vice versa for gender identity 'male').
    * Transwomen are murdered at an alarming rate and it is happening to them because they are trans (no evidence for this is ever produced)
    * Transwomen and transgirls, including transwomen and transgirls who have had no transition process whatsoever, do not have any advantage in playing sports and they deserve to play sports in the team that accords with their gender identity (and not their sex).
    * Anything other than total and unconditional affirmation of gender identity is erasing trans lives.
    * Preverbal children can signal their trans status by (for example) removing bows that are put into their hair.
    Did you just make all those up right now, or did you get them from some website that shares your anger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post

    I'll list off some:
    * There is no such thing as same-sex attraction: homosexuals are same-gender attracted. (This is a ridiculous lie that hurts gay and lesbian people).
    * Having a gender identity of 'female' is the sole determinant of being female. That is, any person, no matter what their actual sex is, who utters 'I am female', is biologically female. (Vice versa for gender identity 'male').
    * Transwomen are murdered at an alarming rate and it is happening to them because they are trans (no evidence for this is ever produced)
    * Transwomen and transgirls, including transwomen and transgirls who have had no transition process whatsoever, do not have any advantage in playing sports and they deserve to play sports in the team that accords with their gender identity (and not their sex).
    * Anything other than total and unconditional affirmation of gender identity is erasing trans lives.
    * Preverbal children can signal their trans status by (for example) removing bows that are put into their hair.
    Did you just make all those up right now, or did you get them from some website that shares your anger?
    Your sentence proposes a false binary. I neither made it up nor got it from 'some website'.

    I listed a few things I have seen and heard and read over the past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ford View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post

    I'll list off some:
    * There is no such thing as same-sex attraction: homosexuals are same-gender attracted. (This is a ridiculous lie that hurts gay and lesbian people).
    * Having a gender identity of 'female' is the sole determinant of being female. That is, any person, no matter what their actual sex is, who utters 'I am female', is biologically female. (Vice versa for gender identity 'male').
    * Transwomen are murdered at an alarming rate and it is happening to them because they are trans (no evidence for this is ever produced)
    * Transwomen and transgirls, including transwomen and transgirls who have had no transition process whatsoever, do not have any advantage in playing sports and they deserve to play sports in the team that accords with their gender identity (and not their sex).
    * Anything other than total and unconditional affirmation of gender identity is erasing trans lives.
    * Preverbal children can signal their trans status by (for example) removing bows that are put into their hair.
    Did you just make all those up right now, or did you get them from some website that shares your anger?
    Your sentence proposes a false binary. I neither made it up nor got it from 'some website'.

    I listed a few things I have seen and heard and read over the past few years.

    Ah, so your anger has been brewing for years, and you've carefully built a narrative. Got it.

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