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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
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    There is no MSM in Russia, they all under government control one way or another. What's your excuse?
    My excuse is that I live in a part of the world where the MSM is not under government control. If you choose not to label the mainstream news outlets in Russia "MSM" because they are under government control (primarily through self-censorship, as is the case in other authoritarian regimes), that is your choice. It still strongly influences your beliefs and your politics, especially concerning topics like Ukraine and Russian interference in US elections. I have far more confidence in our MSM, with all its flaws, than in Russian news sources.
    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
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    There is no MSM in Russia, they all under government control one way or another. What's your excuse?
    My excuse is that I live in a part of the world where the MSM is not under government control. If you choose not to label the mainstream news outlets in Russia "MSM" because they are under government control (primarily through self-censorship, as is the case in other authoritarian regimes), that is your choice. It still strongly influences your beliefs and your politics, especially concerning topics like Ukraine and Russian interference in US elections. I have far more confidence in our MSM, with all its flaws, than in Russian news sources.
    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    What sources are you using to determine they are lying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    What sources are you using to determine they are lying?
    non MSM, obviously.
    To be fair, most MSM lies are lies of omission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
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    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    What sources are you using to determine they are lying?
    non MSM, obviously.
    To be fair, most MSM lies are lies of omission.
    Examples of your sources?

    Your evasion is telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    non MSM, obviously.
    To be fair, most MSM lies are lies of omission.
    Examples of your sources?

    Your evasion is telling.
    I gave a number of links over the years, they were usually ignored. I gave one here in this thread.
    As I said, these are lies of omissions. Nobody disputes the info, it's just ignored/not reported by MSM in US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
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    non MSM, obviously.
    To be fair, most MSM lies are lies of omission.
    Examples of your sources?

    Your evasion is telling.
    I gave a number of links over the years
    Then it shouldn't be a problem to provide a prime example or few.
    Also - some reason to believe Russian government-controlled media aren't lying to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
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    There is no MSM in Russia, they all under government control one way or another. What's your excuse?
    My excuse is that I live in a part of the world where the MSM is not under government control. If you choose not to label the mainstream news outlets in Russia "MSM" because they are under government control (primarily through self-censorship, as is the case in other authoritarian regimes), that is your choice. It still strongly influences your beliefs and your politics, especially concerning topics like Ukraine and Russian interference in US elections. I have far more confidence in our MSM, with all its flaws, than in Russian news sources.
    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    Generally speaking, they don't intentionally lie. "MSM" is just a label that refers to a diverse collection of independent news outlets. They report on many things about Ukraine and Russia, and they inevitably get some facts wrong. Most things that they say about those two countries are reliable, especially regarding Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Generally speaking, they try to report the truth as they see it, and they don't function as a propaganda outlet for their governments. Unlike the Russian MSM, they are free to report the truth without fear of being shut down by a tin pot dictator or having their reporters assassinated by government thugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
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    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    Generally speaking, they don't intentionally lie. "MSM" is just a label that refers to a diverse collection of independent news outlets. They report on many things about Ukraine and Russia, and they inevitably get some facts wrong. Most things that they say about those two countries are reliable, especially regarding Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Generally speaking, they try to report the truth as they see it, and they don't function as a propaganda outlet for their governments. Unlike the Russian MSM, they are free to report the truth without fear of being shut down by a tin pot dictator or having their reporters assassinated by government thugs.
    I'm glad someone finally revealed what MSM is referring to. There is no MSM in Russia equivalent to the free press we have in the US. Russia has SCP, State Controlled Propaganda, same as China and North Korea and other police states.

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    I would say that most of the mainstream outlets in Russia are fairly careful to slant their stories so as to favor government policies, but it is still possible to find opposition points of view. It isn't yet as bad as it was in Soviet times, when everything was quite literally the Party line. I subscribed to both Pravda and Izvestiya when I was in high school, so I got all of the latest news about farm and factory production successes. Most of the real news was found in the back pages, and you had to read between the lines. (I still have a box of those old newspapers from back in the early 1960s).

    The label "MSM" or Mainstream media in the US is used as a pejorative label primarily by the rightwing media. The MSM is normally used to contrast it with alternative media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    So why are your MSM lying to you about Ukraine and Russia?
    Generally speaking, they don't intentionally lie. "MSM" is just a label that refers to a diverse collection of independent news outlets. They report on many things about Ukraine and Russia, and they inevitably get some facts wrong. Most things that they say about those two countries are reliable, especially regarding Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Generally speaking, they try to report the truth as they see it, and they don't function as a propaganda outlet for their governments. Unlike the Russian MSM, they are free to report the truth without fear of being shut down by a tin pot dictator or having their reporters assassinated by government thugs.
    I'm glad someone finally revealed what MSM is referring to. There is no MSM in Russia equivalent to the free press we have in the US. Russia has SCP, State Controlled Propaganda, same as China and North Korea and other police states.
    Comparing Russia to NK or even China is ridiculous. There are different degrees of freedom of the press. But that's not the question here. Question here is what's your excuse for MSM being so atrocious when it comes to Russia?

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