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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.
    The left said that?

    When did the left say that?

    Who was speaking when the left said that?

    Or did the entire left say it in unison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.
    The left said that?

    When did the left say that?

    Who was speaking when the left said that?

    Or did the entire left say it in unison?
    They said it in unison and continuously. Just as every single automaton on the right mindlessly mumbled the latest espoused beliefs of their pundits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
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    I actually don't think it's sarcastic, ironic, satirical or self contradictory. I want to be tolerated. I want to live in a country and a world where people are tolerated. Hitler and Stalin aren't tolerant leaders. Therefore invading them is justified. Being tolerant doesn't mean putting up with any shit. It means fighting for a society that is tolerant. If my tolerance leads me to tolerate something that makes the world less tolerant, then my tolerance is self defeating. So obviously that's not the type of tolerance I'm for.

    It's fair to say that I'm militantly tolerant.
    I think you are mistaking the terms tolerance and indifference. You complain about people having strong opinions and expressing them, both verbally and structurally.

    You want people to tolerate bigotry. You aren't for it, but just that people should tolerate it, otherwise, we aren't tolerant.
    What's the alternative? Bigotry is an opinion. We can't force people to change their minds. We can only control whether they express it or not. I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry. So by tolerating bigotry I think we will get less bigotry.

    If you aren't able to convince people by words alone, chances are that the problem is that you are wrong. It's always better to have a free discussion
    You are not convincing anyone that the way to reduce bigotry is to tolerate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.
    The left said that?

    When did the left say that?

    Who was speaking when the left said that?

    Or did the entire left say it in unison?
    And if you really want a rundown on the unhinged responses of the left about what is and is not violence, take a gander:

    https://reason.com/2020/07/03/silenc...-arson-is-not/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post

    The left said that?

    When did the left say that?

    Who was speaking when the left said that?

    Or did the entire left say it in unison?
    And if you really want a rundown on the unhinged responses of the left about what is and is not violence, take a gander:

    https://reason.com/2020/07/03/silenc...-arson-is-not/
    That worthless crap does not find many saying words are violence.

    And of course to a crazy bigot on the right the left is everything transgenders say.

    Even crazy Republican transgenders that won the Olympic decathlon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    What's the alternative? Bigotry is an opinion. We can't force people to change their minds. We can only control whether they express it or not. I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry. So by tolerating bigotry I think we will get less bigotry.

    If you aren't able to convince people by words alone, chances are that the problem is that you are wrong. It's always better to have a free discussion
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too! In fact having an opposing opinion to that of an opponent is force.

    Best to be beatniks daddy-o.
    Sure, I agree it is also a force. The force of having a convincing argument. Which is, what we want. If we're against that we have nothing to build a society with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    What's the alternative? Bigotry is an opinion. We can't force people to change their minds. We can only control whether they express it or not. I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry. So by tolerating bigotry I think we will get less bigotry.

    If you aren't able to convince people by words alone, chances are that the problem is that you are wrong. It's always better to have a free discussion
    You are not convincing anyone that the way to reduce bigotry is to tolerate it.
    I meant tolerating the expression of bigoted opinions. I thought it was implied from the context. I left it out for the sake, of brevity.

    But again, there's not much we can do to prevent it. Today we, have a mishmash of laws to prevent bigotry. Its still pretty shit.

    The great social progress we got was from removing bigoted laws. But then what? Then progress slowed to a crawl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.
    The left said that?

    When did the left say that?

    Who was speaking when the left said that?

    Or did the entire left say it in unison?
    In snowflake world of conservatives, whenever one person who is not conserative says anything stupid, it means it is the mantra of 'the left".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    By words alone? Pretty certain using words is force too!
    It's the left who has already called words 'violence'. I'm surprised you don't agree.
    that is your interpretation.

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