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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    15 pages over a single incident and it's the world that's stupid.
    catch two in the pink and one in the stink, bravo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Lake View Post
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    You are incorrect, none of those things is force.
    Do they constitute coercion?
    Given that coercion is using force as a means of persuasion, then no, they do not constitute coercion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Social pressure and public shaming is also force.
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    I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry.
    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTalking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Social pressure and public shaming is also force.
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    I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry.
    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    Isn't it obvious? You post on an internet forum "I am a liberal. I am not a racist". Then you pretend the problem is already solved, and get angry if anyone suggests actually doing anything.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    Isn't it obvious? You post on an internet forum "I am a liberal. I am not a racist". Then you pretend the problem is already solved via laissez faire techniques (i.e. ignoring it), and get angry if anyone suggests actually doing anything.
    Added to the statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTalking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Social pressure and public shaming is also force.
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    I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry.
    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    What? You are making no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
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    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    What? You are making no sense
    Please explain how one can challenge bigotry without applying social pressure, or shaming the person espousing bigotry.

    I ask you to to so because you have made clear that in your world those things constitute force, and have been arguing that they should not be done as a result.

    Does that make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Lake View Post
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    You are incorrect, none of those things is force.
    Do they constitute coercion?
    Tautological. "Coercion" by definition refers to the use of force.
    This is misleading. Force is a possible element of coercion, but the two are not synonymous.

    Coerce:
    1) to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, especially without regard for individual desire or volition:
    They coerced him into signing the document.
    2) to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact:
    to coerce obedience.
    3) to dominate or control, especially by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.:
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coerce

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTalking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Social pressure and public shaming is also force.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    I believe that unchallenged bigotry leads to more bigotry.
    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    It's a mystery...

    How does one teach a child that temper tantrums aren't acceptable without shaming them?

    Seriously people... challenging someone else's beliefs and views does not require that they be shamed, ridiculed, harassed, or otherwise mistreated. It can be done with common courtesy and decency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Lake View Post
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    I see a disconnect here. How does one challenge bigotry without applying social pressure or shaming in your world in which these things constitute force?
    It's a mystery...

    How does one teach a child that temper tantrums aren't acceptable without shaming them?

    Seriously people... challenging someone else's beliefs and views does not require that they be shamed, ridiculed, harassed, or otherwise mistreated. It can be done with common courtesy and decency.
    It's a good thing DrZ did not restrict it to shaming then, but also "social pressure". Social Pressure does not preclude courtesy and decency.

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