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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    More logical fallacies and off topic non-sequiturs.
    Covid vaccines. Death penalty politics. Condom debates. Organ donor cards. Irritating preachers who don't donate all their money to the poor, rape pregnancy, sex education...
    I was responding specifically to the part of your post that I quoted.
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    ETA ~I can't help but notice that your ranting response wasn't quite sophisticated enough to include a complete sentence.~

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
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    I thought √úntermensch was calling out the petty semantics.
    What I was commenting on was the proper definition of things.

    A developing human in the womb is a parasite.

    No doubt.

    And if you kill it then calling it a parasite is a small insult.

    I have never said you have the moral authority to kill it because it is a parasite.

    People don't kill their fetuses for what the fetus will do inside them.

    They kill it for what a living child will do to their life.
    And you amplified my point that a new born baby also meets the definition of parasite, as does a severely disabled adult human who;
    lives on, or with another human in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often being dependent on, or exploiting another while giving little or nothing in return.

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    A developing human in the womb is a parasite.
    @Toni; might not agree, but I do. I just don't think it important. Every placental mammal, which includes humans, has a stage of life that is parasitic. It's called gestation. It isn't just normal, it's universal.

    I think that feticide rights supporters use the term because it shifts the victim status from the utterly dependent human, who had no say in the circumstances, to the parents. Especially the mother, who is supposedly being victimized by a parasite.

    It's a semantic sleight of hand trick. But it's got emotional appeal so it gets used a lot.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    A developing human in the womb is a parasite.
    @Toni; might not agree, but I do. I just don't think it important. Every placental mammal, which includes humans, has a stage of life that is parasitic. It's called gestation. It isn't just normal, it's universal.

    I think that feticide rights supporters use the term because it shifts the victim status from the utterly dependent human, who had no say in the circumstances, to the parents. Especially the mother, who is supposedly being victimized by a parasite.

    It's a semantic sleight of hand trick. But it's got emotional appeal so it gets used a lot.
    Tom
    I just describe things as they are.

    In most instances the developing fetus is killed based on the perceived costs of a living infant.

    It has nothing to do with the nature of the fetus.

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    You're a parasite...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Your dad was a rapist...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I forgot what I was taught in grade school about unprotected sex...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I want to go on an expensive overseas holiday...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I get to do whatever I want with "my body"...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You just so happen to be at the wrong end of the birth canal...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Unborn babies aren't human and they aren't alive...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The patriarchy is evil...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The ultrasound says you're a female embryo...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Nobody is Pro-abortion...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Catholics are hypocrites...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I couldn't possibly give up my baby for adoption...therefore it's OK if I murder you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    The definition game.

    Definition of parasite

    1 : an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host

    2 : someone or something that resembles a biological parasite in living off of, being dependent on, or exploiting another while giving little or nothing in return
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite
    Yep. Different definitions. I'm a biologist and I used the term for parasite used in parasitology.

    Also: a human fetus does not necessarily cause harm to the biological mother and does confer some benefits as I noted above.
    You used a definition that would specifically not include a developing fetus.

    That it doesn't see the developing fetus as a parasite has no power to persuade in other words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    You're a parasite...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Your dad was a rapist...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I forgot what I was taught in grade school about unprotected sex...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I want to go on an expensive overseas holiday...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I get to do whatever I want with "my body"...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You just so happen to be at the wrong end of the birth canal...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Unborn babies aren't human and they aren't alive...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The patriarchy is evil...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The ultrasound says you're a female embryo...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Nobody is Pro-abortion...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Catholics are hypocrites...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I couldn't possibly give up my baby for adoption...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Is killing a sperm murder?

    Is killing an egg murder?

    Is killing 64 cells that grew from a fertilized egg murder?

    Is killing something with no brain murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    You're a parasite...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Your dad was a rapist...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I forgot what I was taught in grade school about unprotected sex...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I want to go on an expensive overseas holiday...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I get to do whatever I want with "my body"...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You just so happen to be at the wrong end of the birth canal...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Unborn babies aren't human and they aren't alive...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The patriarchy is evil...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The ultrasound says you're a female embryo...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Nobody is Pro-abortion...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Catholics are hypocrites...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I couldn't possibly give up my baby for adoption...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You're a nearly invisible gamete, indistiguishable from a droplet of snot.
    Therefore you're not entitled to take over my wife's body against her will.

    Lion's God is the biggest murdering bastard ever, killing off more "innocent unborn babies" than all intentionally induced abortions combined.
    I hope Lion's God has a God and Lion's God's God sends Lion's God to Lion's God's God's Hell for being such a murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    A developing human in the womb is a parasite.
    @Toni; might not agree, but I do. I just don't think it important. Every placental mammal, which includes humans, has a stage of life that is parasitic. It's called gestation. It isn't just normal, it's universal.

    I think that feticide rights supporters use the term because it shifts the victim status from the utterly dependent human, who had no say in the circumstances, to the parents. Especially the mother, who is supposedly being victimized by a parasite.

    It's a semantic sleight of hand trick. But it's got emotional appeal so it gets used a lot.
    Tom
    No. If you are going to use biological terms in a biological sense, parasite does NOT describe a developing fetus. It is simply the absolute wrong term.

    Moreover, I think that is important to recognize that a human fetus is human. Fully stop.

    I do NOT believe that any girl or woman is morally obligated to allow a pregnancy--that is, a fetus developing inside her body--to continue, at least not until that fetus is viable. Even after the point of viability, there are legitimate medical and moral reasons that she should be allowed to have that pregnancy terminated.

    There is zero moral question about whether a human or other organism can, if possible, eliminate a parasite from its body. But a parasite is not a human being in the biological sense of the word. I'm pretty sure that a lot of us consider some human beings and some institutions to be parasitic. But in that case, we are not talking about biology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    You're a parasite...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Your dad was a rapist...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I forgot what I was taught in grade school about unprotected sex...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I want to go on an expensive overseas holiday...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I get to do whatever I want with "my body"...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You just so happen to be at the wrong end of the birth canal...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Unborn babies aren't human and they aren't alive...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The patriarchy is evil...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    The ultrasound says you're a female embryo...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Nobody is Pro-abortion...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    Catholics are hypocrites...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    I couldn't possibly give up my baby for adoption...therefore it's OK if I murder you.
    You're a nearly invisible gamete, indistiguishable from a droplet of snot.
    Therefore you're not entitled to take over my wife's body against her will.
    If your hypothetical wife were hypothetically pregnant with a baby boy, would the baby boy's penis belong to your hypothetical wife or your hypothetical son?

    What was that you were saying about your wife's body?

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