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    Then the second group. "Smart America"
    The new knowledge economy created a new class of Americans: men and women with college degrees, skilled with symbols and numbers—salaried professionals in information technology, computer engineering, scientific research, design, management consulting, the upper civil service, financial analysis, law, journalism, the arts, higher education. They go to college with one another, intermarry, gravitate to desirable neighborhoods in large metropolitan areas, and do all they can to pass on their advantages to their children. They are not 1 percenters—those are mainly executives and investors—but they dominate the top 10 percent of American incomes, with outsize economic and cultural influence.

    They’re at ease in the world that modernity created. They were early adopters of things that make the surface of contemporary life agreeable: HBO, Lipitor, MileagePlus Platinum, the MacBook Pro, grass-fed organic beef, cold-brewed coffee, Amazon Prime. They welcome novelty and relish diversity. They believe that the transnational flow of human beings, information, goods, and capital ultimately benefits most people around the world. You have a hard time telling what part of the country they come from, because their local identities are submerged in the homogenizing culture of top universities and elite professions. They believe in credentials and expertise—not just as tools for success, but as qualifications for class entry. They’re not nationalistic—quite the opposite—but they have a national narrative. Call it “Smart America.”

    The cosmopolitan outlook of Smart America overlaps in some areas with the libertarian views of Free America. Each embraces capitalism and the principle of meritocracy: the belief that your talent and effort should determine your reward. But to the meritocrats of Smart America, some government interventions are necessary for everyone to have an equal chance to move up. The long history of racial injustice demands remedies such as affirmative action, diversity hiring, and maybe even reparations. The poor need a social safety net and a living wage; poor children deserve higher spending on education and health care. Workers dislocated by trade agreements, automation, and other blows of the global economy should be retrained for new kinds of jobs.

    Still, there’s a limit to how much government the meritocrats will accept. Social liberalism comes easier to them than redistribution, especially as they accumulate wealth and look to their 401(k)s for long-term security. As for unions, they hardly exist in Smart America. They’re instruments of class solidarity, not individual advancement, and the individual is the unit of worth in Smart America as in Free America.
    In effect, the professional class. At least the upper-middle-class part of it, even if not much of this class is true upper class.

    I think that I'd define upper class as someone who could live a middle-class or upper-middle-class life without needing to work to earn money. All that would be necessary are returns on one's investments. In this state, they might not be able to buy a big yacht, at least not sustainably, but they could buy a motorboat without any trouble.
    Its not a smart America, its over educated America. See peter Turchin: https://aeon.co/essays/history-tells...alth-gap-leads

    And it has happened before in many other 80 year cycles.
    Yeah. College doesn’t make you smart.


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    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.
    Well, maybe. Would like to move passed the bias that people who didn’t go to college are not smart. Some are, some aren’t. Just too many dim people with degrees because colleges need to fill the seats for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.

    I don't think there's a definition of the word "intelligence" that everyone would agree to. At least, I've not seen one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.

    I don't think there's a definition of the word "intelligence" that everyone would agree to. At least, I've not seen one.
    Intelligence is a noun. It just gives it a name and I think we all agree on that name. On the other hand, how intelligence shows itself is anyone's call. For example, some may consider my skills at seeing the difference between a honky and a white person shows intelligence.

    Note: A white man is most likely you (due to this board's demographics) and a honky is you if you have a confederate flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
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    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.
    I don't think there's a definition of the word "intelligence" that everyone would agree to. At least, I've not seen one.
    Getting along with other people is a form of intelligence.

    Building a house is a form of intelligence.

    I think we can agree that intelligence is more than an IQ test.

    IQ tests will predict how people do on similar tests.

    The person with the highest IQ is not the person who rises and becomes the CEO.

    It doesn't work that way in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Definitely.

    Intelligence is so much more than an IQ score.

    An IQ score measures one sliver of intelligence, not overall intelligence.

    That woman is not wrong in saying how you carry yourself is a kind of intelligence.

    It is a form of social and sexual intelligence.

    How you carry yourself will make you more or less attractive to other people.
    I don't think there's a definition of the word "intelligence" that everyone would agree to. At least, I've not seen one.
    Getting along with other people is a form of intelligence.

    Building a house is a form of intelligence.

    I think we can agree that intelligence is more than an IQ test.

    IQ tests will predict how people do on similar tests.

    The person with the highest IQ is not the person who rises and becomes the CEO.

    It doesn't work that way in the real world.
    This is no doubt true; but the correlation between IQ and life outcomes is quite robust and replicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post

    Getting along with other people is a form of intelligence.

    Building a house is a form of intelligence.

    I think we can agree that intelligence is more than an IQ test.

    IQ tests will predict how people do on similar tests.

    The person with the highest IQ is not the person who rises and becomes the CEO.

    It doesn't work that way in the real world.
    This is no doubt true; but the correlation between IQ and life outcomes is quite robust and replicable.
    There are some jobs that are filled by people who do well on tests.

    Doctors, lawyers, dentists.

    Many make more money merely because they had higher test scores. They work hard but so do construction workers.

    That does not mean they are the best people for the jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeMan88 View Post
    Do you think what we are seeing with the right is more populist or fascist?
    Populism is fascism hiding behind a smiley face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post

    Getting along with other people is a form of intelligence.

    Building a house is a form of intelligence.

    I think we can agree that intelligence is more than an IQ test.

    IQ tests will predict how people do on similar tests.

    The person with the highest IQ is not the person who rises and becomes the CEO.

    It doesn't work that way in the real world.
    This is no doubt true; but the correlation between IQ and life outcomes is quite robust and replicable.
    There are some jobs that are filled by people who do well on tests.

    Doctors, lawyers, dentists.

    Many make more money merely because they had higher test scores. They work hard but so do construction workers.

    That does not mean they are the best people for the jobs.
    Doctors and lawyers both use the same sort of mental abilities that IQ tests measure. It's not that they make more money because they have high test scores, those scores are very relevant to what they do.

    Now, IQ test vs concert musician is another matter. That's a different aspect of intelligence.

    Or look at sports. Many sports are basically power sports and have basically no connection to intelligence. However, in some sports precision also is important. (You go for the 3 point shot in basketball--you can practice shooting but it's not like free throws where you can practice exactly that shot.) Again, a different realm of intelligence.

    Or the ability to read people. Yet another aspect of intelligence very useful to politicians and con men.

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