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    Jesus summons Lazarus out of the grave...only in John's gospel. This most astounding of the alleged miracles, done in public, would have meant that Jesus would be overwhelmed with grieving widows and widowers or parents of dead children, demanding and beseeching that he come and restore their loved ones to life. Caiaphas would have questioned him about it. It would not be a story that could be contained. The disciples would be talking about it and the word would have spread like a fever. But the synoptic sources don't have it.
    'Many' dead people came out of their graves after Jesus was crucified, and journeyed into Jerusalem, where they were seen by 'many'...only in Matthew's gospel. No contemporary history mentions it, and Mark, Luke, and John don't have it.
    This is exactly what you would expect if folklore developed around a charismatic figure, and older, traditional stories were attached to the new idol.

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    Turning water to wine is a very good social skill to have.

    Faith healing is not unique to Christianity, it appears in other culture forms.

    In Chinese traditions chi, or your life force, can be used to heal , deflect physical blows, or kill by touch or at a distance. It is seen in Chinese martial arts movies. Think 'the force' in Star Wars. In China it is part of 'traditional medicine'. Probably predates Christianity.

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    Next up on this podcast is the hagiography by Severus of Saint Martin.

    Saint Martin lived through the passing of the edict of Thessalonica. In AD 313 Constantine passes the edict of Milan. This is the edict of religious toleration saying that Christians shouldn't be persecuted. In AD 380 Theodosius I passes the edict of Thesalonica making Christianity the state religion of the Roman state. Not only that, but only allows one kind of Christianity, Nicene Christianity. (Both Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity are Nicene).

    Immediately the Roman pagan politiking that Christians had been so upset about now became official Christian policy. This is the moment the rebels started piloting the Death Star and turned out to be no better than good ol' Darth. Immediately.

    Saint Martin got involved and got burned. Not literally. But he quickly learned that in the new theocracy of Rome it was more important to be skilled at politics than to be a good Christian. Priscillian, a man who Saint Martin judged to be a better Christian than most of those aristocratic bishops trying to persecute him, was the first man to be executed in the new Christian regime. It violated everything Saint Martin thought Christianity should be about. It also violated one of the commandments.

    We all know what happened next. Rivers of blood, all in the name of turning the other cheek. It turns out that the problem with the Roman empire wasn't that they were Pagan. It was other stuff.

    BTW, this book is a Hagiography. It's not a true story. It's heavily slanted and spun in order to make Saint Martin look as good as possible. Bad deeds are forgotten. Rumours of good deeds are included without verifications needed. In this Hagiography Saint Martin destroys pagan temples and desecrates pagan holy places. I don't want you to get the impression that Saint Martin was a good person. This guy was clearly an intolerant dick. The fact that this is included in the hagiography of him says a lot about the Christian culture of that time. Extremely intolerant and violent. Which also might help explain why Christians were persecuted earlier.

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