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    Happy Juneteenth one and all!

    Happy Juneteenth one and all! Let's celebrate the fulfilment of our Independence as a nation. (It's just 156 years late.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Happy Juneteenth one and all! Let's celebrate the fulfilment of our Independence as a nation. (It's just 156 years late.)
    A holiday to celebrate the institution of legal barriers to a specific form of slavery? I guess that's as good an excuse for celebration as many others we follow, hollow though it rings for those still oppressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Happy Juneteenth one and all! Let's celebrate the fulfilment of our Independence as a nation. (It's just 156 years late.)
    A holiday to celebrate the institution of legal barriers to a specific form of slavery? I guess that's as good an excuse for celebration as many others we follow, hollow though it rings for those still oppressed.
    Yeah but it stands as the end of the very worst part of our nation's history. From what I've been hearing it's always been special to the descendants of slaves. Referring to it as just a specific form of slavery minimizes how bad actual slavery was. And celebrating the day it was invalidated allows us to more easily recognize oppression wherever it still exists. If we celebrate anything about our nation's history we should celebrate that.

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    I imagine the change we can see when schools are forced to acknowledge slavery and teach about this because it is a federal holiday. Including how the emapncipation proclaimation only freed some of the slaves, not all of them (Looking at you, Maryland). The more we teach, the more we acknowledge, the more we will all understand and the more we will be able to repair.

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    I'm thrilled, to be honest.

    No, neither our country or the world at large is perfect but we should all remember:

    Never let perfection be the enemy of what is good. Let's celebrate what we can!
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    The only objection to making Juneteenth a federal holiday had come from Republicans, some of whom claimed they objected because they found the official name of the holiday — Juneteenth National Independence Day — divisive.

    “I could not vote for this bill, however, because the holiday should not be called ‘Juneteenth National Independence Day’ but rather, ‘Juneteenth National Emancipation [or Freedom or otherwise] Day,’ Rep. Chip Roy of Texas said in a statement. “This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one’s skin.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-close-offices

    I guess he thinks The Fourth of July is all that is needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    The only objection to making Juneteenth a federal holiday had come from Republicans, some of whom claimed they objected because they found the official name of the holiday — Juneteenth National Independence Day — divisive.

    “I could not vote for this bill, however, because the holiday should not be called ‘Juneteenth National Independence Day’ but rather, ‘Juneteenth National Emancipation [or Freedom or otherwise] Day,’ Rep. Chip Roy of Texas said in a statement. “This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one’s skin.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-close-offices

    I guess he thinks The Fourth of July is all that is needed?
    They just refuse to recognize that the Fourth of July (also known as Independence Day) was never meant to celebrate the independence of black people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Happy Juneteenth one and all! Let's celebrate the fulfilment of our Independence as a nation. (It's just 156 years late.)
    A holiday to celebrate the institution of legal barriers to a specific form of slavery? I guess that's as good an excuse for celebration as many others we follow, hollow though it rings for those still oppressed.
    Yeah but it stands as the end of the very worst part of our nation's history. From what I've been hearing it's always been special to the descendants of slaves. Referring to it as just a specific form of slavery minimizes how bad actual slavery was. And celebrating the day it was invalidated allows us to more easily recognize oppression wherever it still exists. If we celebrate anything about our nation's history we should celebrate that.
    You're right - I don't mean to minimize the importance of change wrought by the news of abolition.
    (June 19 wasn't the day of the Emancipation Proclamation, it was the day, some two years later (1865), that news of its passage finally reached Galveston Texas).
    I am just wary that it is "used" by those who would declare that we have overcome racism and its attendant oppression.

    Still, you (and Toni) are right about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    The only objection to making Juneteenth a federal holiday had come from Republicans, some of whom claimed they objected because they found the official name of the holiday — Juneteenth National Independence Day — divisive.

    “I could not vote for this bill, however, because the holiday should not be called ‘Juneteenth National Independence Day’ but rather, ‘Juneteenth National Emancipation [or Freedom or otherwise] Day,’ Rep. Chip Roy of Texas said in a statement. “This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one’s skin.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-close-offices

    I guess he thinks The Fourth of July is all that is needed?
    They just refuse to recognize that the Fourth of July (also known as Independence Day) was never meant to celebrate the independence of black people.
    Right, they are aware of it, but there is a narrative that they must support among their voting base of White victimhood and so they'd call this reverse racialism, like Underseer used to point out, or even get into the White Replacement narrative like some conservative talking heads now do. Saying he objects to a particular word is a sneaky way to try to say he is for the concept but then from the other side of his mouth support the status quo normalization of White history and narratives.

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