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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
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    Aside from the part that either you or they invented ("don't get a mortgage" would not solve the problem, and CRT specialists aren't big fans of meaningless virtue signaling as a general rule) this is a fact, easily researched. Banks do, in fact, preferentially award mortgages and other associated loans to whites, and the reasons for that touch on the core ideas of CRT, that institutional racism survives less because of the actions of racist individuals than because the system was set up in such a way as to preserve class biases.

    Disparity in home lending costs minorities millions, researchers find



    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/19/lend...an-whites.html
    So you agree it is idiotic (for millenials who are still living at home with their parents that sent them to these elite schools) to tell other people that if they seek to purchase a home (Something they are less motivated than other generations to do) then those that need to get a mortgage (because they don't have a million dollar trust fund) are racists. they are white supremacists for participating in the banking system.
    So you agree that it is idiotic to breed unicorns?

    Or is it just something that isn't happening, so the question of whether it is idiotic doesn't apply?

    This is just more #ConservativesGettingMadAtThingsTheyMadeUp
    As I said, I personally know 3 "unicorns". They are cousins that all attend elite schools (Brown, for one). I tell you, this very topic has harmed my relationship with them... Like they think I am a knuckle dragging MAGA because I am not ashamed of being born white and I AM the problem because I distinguish between advantage and privilege.

    Yes, they certainly exist... in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    I mean we are stuck with blacks here.
    Maybe there's a final solution you could enact.
    For the Jews, it was Israel.
    For the blacks, it was Liberia.

    We didn't kick either of those groups out.
    Liberia? Then why hasn't the US been sending billions a year there instead of Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospel View Post
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    For the Jews, it was Israel.
    For the blacks, it was Liberia.

    We didn't kick either of those groups out.
    Liberia? Then why hasn't the US been sending billions a year there instead of Israel?
    Lack of interest... by all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    You're almost there.

    The whole point of CRT discourse is that the system itself, not just the individual feelings of gatekeepers like lending agents, results in systemic discrimination against Blacks. Fixing overt racism would be good, but it's not enough if the goal to create genuine racial equity. If the end result is that Blacks are unfairly discriminated against in the housing market, that's the case even if the reasons for it are couched in other terms. Saying "that's just the way our system is set up" is not, from the perspective of someone who wants to end unfair and discriminatory practices, a sufficient answer to the problem. If a person can vastly change the outcome of a loan application simply by concealing their race, there's a big problem here, even if a computer algorithm presumably with no personal feelings at all is to blame.
    Well, as a non-white person, I'm more comfortable with a loan program that evaluates my application based on objective ratios that I either achieve or don't achieve. At least then I have a fair shot and I could improve my ratios over time. But I wouldn't like it if the criteria is tweaked based on my "race" (hate that term). If people of my tribe are falling behind (like tribe better than race!); then I'd prefer to help people of my tribe better attain these ratios. Finally, the ratios were determined based on how to predict default rates. IOW, if the criteria is D:I of 40%; and someone has a D:I of 45%; they aren't "passing". Their cash flow is less, and they have a higher chance of loan default. The borrower loses for more if they are put into a loan that they can't repay.
    Who walks into a bank to get a loan? Neanderthals. You submit your application online and are approved or not based on your credit report. No demographics are available to the bank prior to closing. If black people happen to be victims of economic inequity then they will, necessarily, fall on the bottom of the pile of people approved for loans. This is due to their economic status, not their skin color. How their skin color affects their economic status PRIOR to being rejected due to their economic status is a very fair question.
    OK, I just caught up on more posts and I am quoting myself because what I think I just did there was engage in CRT without realizing it. Was I CRTing just there?
    If so, then good, my cousins are idiots all on thier own.
    If not, then bad, my cousins are still idiots and I still don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    Who walks into a bank to get a loan? Neanderthals. You submit your application online and are approved or not based on your credit report. No demographics are available to the bank prior to closing. If black people happen to be victims of economic inequity then they will, necessarily, fall on the bottom of the pile of people approved for loans. This is due to their economic status, not their skin color. How their skin color affects their economic status PRIOR to being rejected due to their economic status is a very fair question.
    OK, I just caught up on more posts and I am quoting myself because what I think I just did there was engage in CRT without realizing it. Was I CRTing just there?
    If so, then good, my cousins are idiots all on thier own.
    If not, then bad, my cousins are still idiots and I still don't get it.
    Likely yes. Apparently, CRT (and I'm not talking about tubes archeologists may find alongside dinosaurs' bones) is an academic movement involve in civil rights meant to examine the law as it intersects with issues of race. I used Wikipedia so I owe them a donation now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    You're almost there.

    The whole point of CRT discourse is that the system itself, not just the individual feelings of gatekeepers like lending agents, results in systemic discrimination against Blacks. Fixing overt racism would be good, but it's not enough if the goal to create genuine racial equity. If the end result is that Blacks are unfairly discriminated against in the housing market, that's the case even if the reasons for it are couched in other terms. Saying "that's just the way our system is set up" is not, from the perspective of someone who wants to end unfair and discriminatory practices, a sufficient answer to the problem. If a person can vastly change the outcome of a loan application simply by concealing their race, there's a big problem here, even if a computer algorithm presumably with no personal feelings at all is to blame.
    Well, as a non-white person, I'm more comfortable with a loan program that evaluates my application based on objective ratios that I either achieve or don't achieve. At least then I have a fair shot and I could improve my ratios over time. But I wouldn't like it if the criteria is tweaked based on my "race" (hate that term). If people of my tribe are falling behind (like tribe better than race!); then I'd prefer to help people of my tribe better attain these ratios. Finally, the ratios were determined based on how to predict default rates. IOW, if the criteria is D:I of 40%; and someone has a D:I of 45%; they aren't "passing". Their cash flow is less, and they have a higher chance of loan default. The borrower loses for more if they are put into a loan that they can't repay.
    Who walks into a bank to get a loan? Neanderthals. You submit your application online and are approved or not based on your credit report. No demographics are available to the bank prior to closing. If black people happen to be victims of economic inequity then they will, necessarily, fall on the bottom of the pile of people approved for loans. This is due to their economic status, not their skin color. How their skin color affects their economic status PRIOR to being rejected due to their economic status is a very fair question.
    Which is how seemingly "objective" assessments can become instruments of targeted oppression, even if they aren't as such meant to be... and that might be a little too generous, since the banking institution was not, to start with, intended to create or ensure racial equity.
    "Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the tree of knowledge."

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    Speaking of the downloadable toolkit for parents put out by the Heritage Foundation labeled "Reject Critical Race Theory," ...

    I only downloaded it to examine their propaganda's content, but now they are emailing me, prompting me into "grassroots" action from the top-down direction:

    [My Name is Here],

    Thanks for downloading our critical race theory (CRT) ebook! Within the ebook, you will learn about what you can do to stop critical race theory.

    One of the best ways to expose what is happening in schools with CRT is by submitting a FOIA request. Every state has different laws and procedures when it comes to submitting FOIA requests, so we have compiled links for each state to make it easier for you.

    Head over to the ebook today to learn more about FOIA requests, see a sample of what to write, and to submit one. This will give you access to the debate and decision making process of your elected officials to ensure they are not pushing critical race theory into your schools.

    Thank you!

    Janae Stracke
    Grassroots Director
    Heritage Action

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    Quote Originally Posted by repoman View Post
    Can you take a moment and imagine what it was like for a black child going through their history lesson about slavery? Being told you're a bad person, your parents are bad people & grandparents are bad people is significantly different than being shown how people got treated by others who thought they were bad people and those people who got treated badly looked just like you.

    Edit: And then see it in the eyes of your neighbors as you go about your life every day. When was the last time you got stopped because you fit the description? For me, it was just last week.

    Edit: I didn't say this to invalidate your concerns. I'm saying this to show that we're living with the effects of slavery too, on the other side. You'll survive as we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    So you agree that it is idiotic to breed unicorns?

    Or is it just something that isn't happening, so the question of whether it is idiotic doesn't apply?

    This is just more #ConservativesGettingMadAtThingsTheyMadeUp

    Well that's par for the course, isn't it? At the moment (according to the right wing) two of the most pressing issues in our country - nay, threats to our very existence - are trans athletes in school sports, and teaching kids that America has even a little racism in it's history.

    Not the pandemic. Not our crumbling infrastructure. Not skyrocketing wealth disparity. Not a healthcare system that bankrupts people in exchange for treatment. Not a massive underclass of undocumented workers brought here by businesses unwilling to pay even poverty wages to citizens. Not climate change.

    Nope, their big "OMG we need to do something about this NOW" push is to stop an almost non-existent number of trans kids in sports from being able to compete as the gender they identify as, and an academic point of view which is both correct, and not even remotely being taught widely. Along with their push to destroy our electoral system and pretend Trump is still President, these are their most pressing concerns.

    And yes, I know that what they're really doing this to distract from our actual problems, but you have to meet them where they are...which is in fantasy land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    You're almost there.

    The whole point of CRT discourse is that the system itself, not just the individual feelings of gatekeepers like lending agents, results in systemic discrimination against Blacks. Fixing overt racism would be good, but it's not enough if the goal to create genuine racial equity. If the end result is that Blacks are unfairly discriminated against in the housing market, that's the case even if the reasons for it are couched in other terms. Saying "that's just the way our system is set up" is not, from the perspective of someone who wants to end unfair and discriminatory practices, a sufficient answer to the problem. If a person can vastly change the outcome of a loan application simply by concealing their race, there's a big problem here, even if a computer algorithm presumably with no personal feelings at all is to blame.
    Well, as a non-white person, I'm more comfortable with a loan program that evaluates my application based on objective ratios that I either achieve or don't achieve. At least then I have a fair shot and I could improve my ratios over time. But I wouldn't like it if the criteria is tweaked based on my "race" (hate that term). If people of my tribe are falling behind (like tribe better than race!); then I'd prefer to help people of my tribe better attain these ratios. Finally, the ratios were determined based on how to predict default rates. IOW, if the criteria is D:I of 40%; and someone has a D:I of 45%; they aren't "passing". Their cash flow is less, and they have a higher chance of loan default. The borrower loses for more if they are put into a loan that they can't repay.
    Who walks into a bank to get a loan? Neanderthals. You submit your application online and are approved or not based on your credit report. No demographics are available to the bank prior to closing. If black people happen to be victims of economic inequity then they will, necessarily, fall on the bottom of the pile of people approved for loans. This is due to their economic status, not their skin color. How their skin color affects their economic status PRIOR to being rejected due to their economic status is a very fair question.
    Well, I'm a commercial client, private business owner. I'm retired banker! But I have a banker. So, I refyed my home loan through my bank at the branch.

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