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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
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    I will say that within the social sciences generally, Critical Race Theory has become a common topic of discussion in graduate level courses since about the early 00's. I suspect that it is not common to dedicate an entire course to the subject, however, outside of the legal discipline in which it originated. This may be changing, as the conservatives have ironically raised a lot of public interest in what used to be a fairly obscure specialty, and university curriculum committees are apt to take popularity in mind in approving new specialized courses. Enrollment is funding.
    If anyone has taken a class where CRT was a major part of the curriculum so they can actually be counted on for reliable info, I think it would be fair for them to answer the op question in the affirmative.

    I'm still not even sure what it is. Time to Wikipedia.
    I'm qualified enough to comment on the theory generally, but that isn't quite the same thing as taking a class. They are definitely over-estimating how commonly this topic arises, especially at the elementary- and high-school level as has been alleged. I know a lot of college professors who've been scrambling for old notes in the last few weeks, anticipating the slough of confused questions from the public.

    There are a plethora of decent think-pieces making the round these days, if you're interested in learning more about CRT. It's a bit of an advanced subject, but not beyond what most adults can reasonably understand if you're willing to wade through a bit of legal jargon.

    Fundamentally, though, understanding CRT as scholars discuss the subject will not help you understand American conservative political uses of the term; the two concepts are nearly unrelated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
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    I will say that within the social sciences generally, Critical Race Theory has become a common topic of discussion in graduate level courses since about the early 00's. I suspect that it is not common to dedicate an entire course to the subject, however, outside of the legal discipline in which it originated. This may be changing, as the conservatives have ironically raised a lot of public interest in what used to be a fairly obscure specialty, and university curriculum committees are apt to take popularity in mind in approving new specialized courses. Enrollment is funding.
    If anyone has taken a class where CRT was a major part of the curriculum so they can actually be counted on for reliable info, I think it would be fair for them to answer the op question in the affirmative.

    I'm still not even sure what it is. Time to Wikipedia.
    CRT is the television and computer monitor technology that preceded flat screens. It stands for 'Cathode Ray Tube'.

    Hope this helps.

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    That is idiotic and irrelevant. It doesn’t take much to criticise ideas that you don’t understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
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    I will say that within the social sciences generally, Critical Race Theory has become a common topic of discussion in graduate level courses since about the early 00's. I suspect that it is not common to dedicate an entire course to the subject, however, outside of the legal discipline in which it originated. This may be changing, as the conservatives have ironically raised a lot of public interest in what used to be a fairly obscure specialty, and university curriculum committees are apt to take popularity in mind in approving new specialized courses. Enrollment is funding.
    If anyone has taken a class where CRT was a major part of the curriculum so they can actually be counted on for reliable info, I think it would be fair for them to answer the op question in the affirmative.

    I'm still not even sure what it is. Time to Wikipedia.
    CRT is the television and computer monitor technology that preceded flat screens. It stands for 'Cathode Ray Tube'.

    Hope this helps.
    Nice try, but as you can see conservative activists are three steps ahead of you.

    Fox News:
    A new digital book aims to help parents stand up against what has become known as "critical race theory," or CRT, teachings in U.S. schools.

    Critics of CRT, which is formally understood as an academic and legal analysis of race recognizing racism as a systemic problem affecting certain areas of society, argue that the movement is divisive in classrooms and separates children into groups of oppressors versus oppressed, privileged and underprivileged.

    "Rejecting critical race theory is one of the most important fights for conservative grassroots since the Tea Party movement," Jessica Anderson, executive director of conservative grassroots organization Heritage Action, told Fox News. "With the e-book Heritage Action is rolling out today, we are giving the power back to concerned parents by equipping them with information on what critical race theory is, how to spot it, and how to combat it in their communities.
    I downloaded the e-book.

    Here's the scoop. First, they link it indirectly back to Marx. And then America-haters and claims that all white people such-and-such and America must be dismantled. It's a terrible, superficial negative campaign with little substance.

    Next, the News implied it was replete with examples of CRT in schools. Instead, it gives 1 example of a curriculum in NY that quotes half a sentence that does indeed sound consistent with the concepts of of CRT and that should not be taught unless 1 word could be changed to tone it down. That's 1 mere example. It also gives a different kind of example, of a school board in Louisiana with tons of quote-mining saying something extreme (but likely true) about America while using the phrase "systemic racism." And that's it. Those are the only examples.

    For the next several pages, there are various pages directing all these concerned parents who have been tricked into doing the work of how to do FOIA requests and other stuff so that they can magnify this issue and do further quote-mining, etc, making these idiots come up with false stories and half-truths, and hyperbole, and in some cases finding a rare case of someone actually using a term like systemic racism. Then, all those will then be propagated into the news cycle etc, like with the alleged voting fraud facebook stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    I will say that within the social sciences generally, Critical Race Theory has become a common topic of discussion in graduate level courses since about the early 00's. I suspect that it is not common to dedicate an entire course to the subject, however, outside of the legal discipline in which it originated. This may be changing, as the conservatives have ironically raised a lot of public interest in what used to be a fairly obscure specialty, and university curriculum committees are apt to take popularity in mind in approving new specialized courses. Enrollment is funding.
    If anyone has taken a class where CRT was a major part of the curriculum so they can actually be counted on for reliable info, I think it would be fair for them to answer the op question in the affirmative.

    I'm still not even sure what it is. Time to Wikipedia.
    I'm qualified enough to comment on the theory generally, but that isn't quite the same thing as taking a class. They are definitely over-estimating how commonly this topic arises, especially at the elementary- and high-school level as has been alleged. I know a lot of college professors who've been scrambling for old notes in the last few weeks, anticipating the slough of confused questions from the public.

    There are a plethora of decent think-pieces making the round these days, if you're interested in learning more about CRT. It's a bit of an advanced subject, but not beyond what most adults can reasonably understand if you're willing to wade through a bit of legal jargon.

    Fundamentally, though, understanding CRT as scholars discuss the subject will not help you understand American conservative political uses of the term; the two concepts are nearly unrelated.
    The problem with CRT, is that it has become a far right extremist scare tactic that is used to inflame right wingers for political reasons. To understand this, a main culprit in all of this is one Christopher Rufo, a right winged activist who has created this disinformation bugaboo and with the help of Faux Nooz and President Trump made it a powerful political movement.

    https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/chris-rufo/

    Here is a good start to understanding how this became an issue in far right politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    Unless you attended seminary and have a degree in divinity, you can’t critique the Bible.
    That is idiotic and irrelevant. It doesn’t take much to criticise ideas that you don’t understand.
    This was Thunderf00t’s response to YECs who said he lacked the biblical education to comment on creation: Bullshit is bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
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    I'm qualified enough to comment on the theory generally, but that isn't quite the same thing as taking a class. They are definitely over-estimating how commonly this topic arises, especially at the elementary- and high-school level as has been alleged. I know a lot of college professors who've been scrambling for old notes in the last few weeks, anticipating the slough of confused questions from the public.

    There are a plethora of decent think-pieces making the round these days, if you're interested in learning more about CRT. It's a bit of an advanced subject, but not beyond what most adults can reasonably understand if you're willing to wade through a bit of legal jargon.

    Fundamentally, though, understanding CRT as scholars discuss the subject will not help you understand American conservative political uses of the term; the two concepts are nearly unrelated.
    The problem with CRT, is that it has become a far right extremist scare tactic that is used to inflame right wingers for political reasons. To understand this, a main culprit in all of this is one Christopher Rufo, a right winged activist who has created this disinformation bugaboo and with the help of Faux Nooz and President Trump made it a powerful political movement.

    https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/chris-rufo/

    Here is a good start to understanding how this became an issue in far right politics.
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    Reminds me of Germany after WW2. The German's had a couple of memorial days where they all vigorously pretended to also be the victims of Hitler's genocide, as if Hitler had done everything on his own. The Jews apparently weren't worth any extra consideration by the Germans. Especially weird since the governmental apparatus was left pretty much intact. After the handful of commemorative laurels placed on the ruins of synagogues the general opinion was that there was no need to dwell on the past and it was time to look ahead. The survivors of the genocide and all the displaced Jews were left to sort the mess out on their own. The German state kept the seized property and money.

    1951 Israel managed to squeeze $1.5 billion out of Germany. Did it go to any of the survivors? Nope. It went to the state of Israel. Paid out in installments over a lengthy period. Very very lengthy. They still haven't paid out in full. They're up to 1$ billion now.

    In 2012 Germany agreed to pay $5 billion directly to survivors of forced labour camps, paid directly to whatever slave workers was still left alive. At most they could receive $7,500 each. I didn't find any records of how much of the money was claimed. But there can't be that many since, at the time, they were all well over 80 years old.

    It's all been utterly unimpressive.

    In the Holocaust they managed to murder every single gypsy in Germany. How much do you think the European Roma community have received to make up for this heinous crime? If you guessed €0, you'd be correct. Same deal for the gays. Or communists.

    The majority culture after any serious civil rights crime will always downplay the damage they've done. That's standard operating procedure. We don't like to admit to the damage we do and in a vote about it the majority will all agree it wasn't much to worry about

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