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    Question Climate Change(d)?

    In my latest, and first (only?) piece on Climate Change(d), we discuss the issues that is whether Climate Change is the right term anymore and asking if we are in Climate Changed.

    Take for instance, the Northwest North American heat wave, which caused the highest temperature ever recorded in Canadian history... and that happened in June. Portland, Oregon blew their all-time (not the record for the day, but for the year... any year) temp record by 9 degrees, which is the equivalent of some hockey player breaking Gretzky's scoring record by scoring 500 to 1,000 goals in a season.

    Portland's high temps are interesting when looked at historically. There is a balance until about 1977, when the annual high gets above 100 degrees consistently. Then in 2021, they torch the record by 9 degrees! That is simply unheard of.

    Climate scientists are reviewing this heat wave, not merely because it was unusual, but suspecting it was actually near impossible without human intervention. One study indicted possibly 1 in a 100,000 year event. IE, this was extreme for an extreme extreme event. Another study suggests with the changes in our atmosphere, this could become a 1 in 5 or 10 year event, hence the past tense on changed. Temperatures that soared above 100 degrees for a week... in the Pacific Northwest known for its... well not getting that hot.

    With Texas getting that extraordinarily cold spell in the winter, that really gives the feel of an atmosphere that is far from equilibrium, and the continual adding of more energy into it, via greenhouse gases that are increasing the temperature is going to make what has already happened get worse. We seem to be more on a rocket in motion, instead of the dreamy stop the ticking clock scenario. Time will tell if this is the new climate, sadly years will be needed. But with the all-time records, and monthly average records abounding, the climate appears to have changed and our continued effort of ignoring it, will lead to further change that could make survival harder and harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    In my latest, and first (only?) piece on Climate Change(d), we discuss the issues that is whether Climate Change is the right term anymore and asking if we are in Climate Changed.

    Take for instance, the Northwest North American heat wave, which caused the highest temperature ever recorded in Canadian history... and that happened in June. Portland, Oregon blew their all-time (not the record for the day, but for the year... any year) temp record by 9 degrees, which is the equivalent of some hockey player breaking Gretzky's scoring record by scoring 500 to 1,000 goals in a season.

    Portland's high temps are interesting when looked at historically. There is a balance until about 1977, when the annual high gets above 100 degrees consistently. Then in 2021, they torch the record by 9 degrees! That is simply unheard of.

    Climate scientists are reviewing this heat wave, not merely because it was unusual, but suspecting it was actually near impossible without human intervention. One study indicted possibly 1 in a 100,000 year event. IE, this was extreme for an extreme extreme event. Another study suggests with the changes in our atmosphere, this could become a 1 in 5 or 10 year event, hence the past tense on changed. Temperatures that soared above 100 degrees for a week... in the Pacific Northwest known for its... well not getting that hot.

    With Texas getting that extraordinarily cold spell in the winter, that really gives the feel of an atmosphere that is far from equilibrium, and the continual adding of more energy into it, via greenhouse gases that are increasing the temperature is going to make what has already happened get worse. We seem to be more on a rocket in motion, instead of the dreamy stop the ticking clock scenario. Time will tell if this is the new climate, sadly years will be needed. But with the all-time records, and monthly average records abounding, the climate appears to have changed and our continued effort of ignoring it, will lead to further change that could make survival harder and harder.
    If you are talking human survival, that's a given. Humans will be around for a while. The loss comes in the form of extinguished diversity and richness in all species. What is most interesting is how many people are still asking if the glacier is really moving. Must just be human stupidity on display.

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    Here in the Northwest climate has changed. It is getting warmer and has been for a long time.

    Miami is already being effected by rising oceans. I recently listened to a recent discussion.

    It has taken a long time to add heat to the ocean with a large mass. Even if green house gasses went to zero right away it will take a long time for the oceans to cool back down.

    The conclusion of the speaker, it is upon us and all we can do is react.

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    A simple reason why not to add the 'd' to Climate Change and form a past tense:
    It's not over yet! Expect climate to continue changing. (Where's the :gak: emoticon? )

    Not long ago, ignorant redneck Americans had a standard punchline: Whenever the weather turned cold, or there was snow, they'd say "More of that global warming, chortle chortle!"

    My guess is that most of them have stopped that chortling by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    A simple reason why not to add the 'd' to Climate Change and form a past tense:
    It's not over yet! Expect climate to continue changing. (Where's the :gak: emoticon? )

    Not long ago, ignorant redneck Americans had a standard punchline: Whenever the weather turned cold, or there was snow, they'd say "More of that global warming, chortle chortle!"

    My guess is that most of them have stopped that chortling by now.
    These same people are still mocking the Pandemic that killed over 600,000 Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    A simple reason why not to add the 'd' to Climate Change and form a past tense:
    It's not over yet! Expect climate to continue changing. (Where's the :gak: emoticon? )

    Not long ago, ignorant redneck Americans had a standard punchline: Whenever the weather turned cold, or there was snow, they'd say "More of that global warming, chortle chortle!"

    My guess is that most of them have stopped that chortling by now.
    These same people are still mocking the Pandemic that killed over 600,000 Americans.
    Right. There are people who wear their ignorance like a badge of honor. There is nothing that will change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    A simple reason why not to add the 'd' to Climate Change and form a past tense:
    It's not over yet! Expect climate to continue changing. (Where's the :gak: emoticon? )

    Not long ago, ignorant redneck Americans had a standard punchline: Whenever the weather turned cold, or there was snow, they'd say "More of that global warming, chortle chortle!"

    My guess is that most of them have stopped that chortling by now.
    Do ypu really want to get into cultural stereotypes?

    Ignorance is word wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post

    Portland's high temps are interesting when looked at historically. There is a balance until about 1977, when the annual high gets above 100 degrees consistently. Then in 2021, they torch the record by 9 degrees! That is simply unheard of.
    So I downloaded those data and plotted them up. There’s a fair amount of scatter but it does show a weak trend of an increase in high temperature of about 0.045 degrees F per year. This is noticeable even though the standard deviation of the ensemble is about 4 degrees.

    Note that these data range from 1875 to only 2009 and there’s probably a correction that could be applied for an urban heat island effect as I’m the sure the city has grown in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post

    Portland's high temps are interesting when looked at historically. There is a balance until about 1977, when the annual high gets above 100 degrees consistently. Then in 2021, they torch the record by 9 degrees! That is simply unheard of.
    So I downloaded those data and plotted them up. There’s a fair amount of scatter but it does show a weak trend of an increase in high temperature of about 0.045 degrees F per year. This is noticeable even though the standard deviation of the ensemble is about 4 degrees.

    Note that these data range from 1875 to only 2009 and there’s probably a correction that could be applied for an urban heat island effect as I’m the sure the city has grown in that time.
    Just looking at the 100+ makes that apparent. I agree, development definitely can impact those numbers as well. And of course, this is merely a single temp for the year.

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    During the London Fog there was speculation about air pollution and climate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_soup_fog

    Historical observations

    From as early as the 1200s,[2][3] air pollution became increasingly prevalent, and a predominant perception in the 13th century was that sea-coal[4] smoke would affect one's health.[5][6] From the mid-1600s, in U.K. cities, especially London, the incidence of ill-health was attributed to coal smoke from both domestic and industrial chimneys combining with the mists and fogs of the Thames Valley.[7] Luke Howard, a pioneer in urban climate studies, published The Climate of London in 1818–1820, in which he uses the term 'city fog' and describes the heat island effect which concentrated the accumulation of smog over the city.[8]

    In 1880 Francis Albert Rollo Russell, son of the former Prime Minister Lord John Russell, published a leaflet that blamed home hearth smoke, rather than factories' smoke, for damaging the city's important buildings, depriving vegetation of sunlight, and increasing the expense and effort of laundering clothes. Furthermore, he charged the "perpetually present" sulphurous smoke with increasing bronchitis and other respiratory diseases. More than 2,000 Londoners had "literally choked to death", he wrote, on account of "a want of carefulness in preventing smoke in our domestic fires" which emitted coal smoke from "more than a million chimneys" that when combined with the prolonged fogs of late January and early February 1880, fatally aggravated pre-existing lung conditions and was "more fatal than the slaughter of many a great battle".[9][10][11]

    The difficulties of driving through the fog were vividly described in the Autocar magazine, with an otherwise straightforward 45 mile car journey on the night of 12 December 1946 taking over eight hours to complete. At times, the passenger having to get out and walk alongside the car to see the kerb and operate the steering through the side window while the driver operated the pedals.[12]

    The most lethal incidence of this smog in London occurred in 1952 and resulted in the Clean Air Act 1956 and Clean Air Act 1968, both now repealed and consolidated into the Clean Air Act 1993 which were effective in largely removing sulphur dioxide and coal smoke, the causes of pea soup fog, though these have been replaced by less visible pollutants that derive from vehicles in urban areas.[13]
    Origins of the term

    Reference to the sources of smog, along with the earliest extant use of "pea-soup" as a descriptor, is found in a report by John Sartain published in 1820 on life as a young artist, recounting what it was like to

    slink home through a fog as thick and as yellow as the pea-soup of the eating house; return to your painting room ... having opened your window at going out, to find the stink of the paint rendered worse, if possible, by the entrance of the fog, which, being a compound from the effusions of gas pipes, tan yards, chimneys, dyers, blanket scourers, breweries, sugar bakers, and soap boilers, may easily be imagined not to improve the smell of a painting room! [14]

    An 1871 New York Times article refers to "London, particularly, where the population are periodically submerged in a fog of the consistency of pea soup". The fogs caused large numbers of deaths from respiratory problems.[15]

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