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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    So Lindsay Graham has announced he will hinder the U.S. Senate exactly as the Dem legislators in Texas did: trying to deny the Senate a quorum.
    (Never mind whether this is hypocrisy. The R's motto is that if anyone they dislike ever does anything they deem wrong, that gives the Rs the right to use that same mischief in perpetuity.)

    It seems that a quorum call is one case where the Vice Pres. does NOT break a tie: quorum requires 51 Senators.

    BUT, assuming all 50 D Senators play along, they should be OK. When a R Senator rises to suggest the absence of a quorum, just lock the exit doors and wait for all 50 D's to arrive. The R who asked for a quorum call will be counted also. Right?
    Doesn't this mean the Dems can do some rules changing while the republicans are out then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    Is there a deadline, before which the Texas election law changes would have to be passed for them to take effect for the 2022 election?
    That's not how Trumputinazis work. If they want armed thugs gooning over your shoulder when you vote, there will be armed thugs gooning over your shoulder while you vote, and they'll let you know you better vote for the "right" candidate. If Dem snowflakes don't like that, they can take it to the kangaroo trump-appointed courts after the election has been declared a clean sweep for trumputinazi candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    So Lindsay Graham has announced he will hinder the U.S. Senate exactly as the Dem legislators in Texas did: trying to deny the Senate a quorum.
    (Never mind whether this is hypocrisy. The R's motto is that if anyone they dislike ever does anything they deem wrong, that gives the Rs the right to use that same mischief in perpetuity.)

    It seems that a quorum call is one case where the Vice Pres. does NOT break a tie: quorum requires 51 Senators.

    BUT, assuming all 50 D Senators play along, they should be OK. When a R Senator rises to suggest the absence of a quorum, just lock the exit doors and wait for all 50 D's to arrive. The R who asked for a quorum call will be counted also. Right?
    Indeed. A quarum is assumed unless someone calls for a count. No Dem will call for a count. Therefore an R must be there to play this trick, and they will then be counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    So Lindsay Graham has announced he will hinder the U.S. Senate exactly as the Dem legislators in Texas did: trying to deny the Senate a quorum.
    (Never mind whether this is hypocrisy. The R's motto is that if anyone they dislike ever does anything they deem wrong, that gives the Rs the right to use that same mischief in perpetuity.)

    It seems that a quorum call is one case where the Vice Pres. does NOT break a tie: quorum requires 51 Senators.

    BUT, assuming all 50 D Senators play along, they should be OK. When a R Senator rises to suggest the absence of a quorum, just lock the exit doors and wait for all 50 D's to arrive. The R who asked for a quorum call will be counted also. Right?
    Indeed. A quarum is assumed unless someone calls for a count. No Dem will call for a count. Therefore an R must be there to play this trick, and they will then be counted.
    Could Schumer block a request for a quorum count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    This strikes me as a subversion of democracy and a dereliction of these Democrats duties as legislators and representatives.

    State politicians flee Texas to derail legislation on voting restrictions, abortion access - ABC News


    Dozens of Democratic politicians have left Texas as part of an orchestrated move to derail Republican efforts to pass new voting restrictions and other measures.

    Speaking from an airplane headed to Washington, DC, on Monday afternoon local time, Texas state Representative Alex Dominguez told Reuters that "nearly everyone" in the House of Representatives' 67-member Democratic caucus had fled the state.

    The exodus is intended to deny the legislature the quorum needed to approve any of the measures on Republican Governor Greg Abbott's special-session agenda, including bills restricting abortion access and blocking transgender students from competing in athletics events that correspond with their gender identity.
    Under Texas's constitution, represenatives who remain in the state can be arrested and forced to attend the capitol to make up a quorum.

    "If they keep wanting to throw oppressive bills, then we'll keep fighting them, in whatever way we have to," Mr Dominguez said.
    Democratic representatives staged a similar walkout on May 30 to boycott a vote on an earlier version of the voting legislation just before the legislature's regular session ended, prompting Mr Abbott to call the special session.
    Texas Republicans including the governor and Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan condemned the strategy.
    "The Democrats must put aside partisan political games and get back to the job they were elected to do," Mr Abbott said.

    Texas is one of a number of Republican-led states pushing new voting restrictions in the name of enhancing election security, citing former president Donald Trump's false claims that his November election defeat was the result of widespread fraud.
    On Sunday, House and Senate committees in the Texas legislature passed new versions of the voting measures, which would prohibit drive-through and 24-hour voting locations, add new identification requirements to mail-in voting and empower partisan poll watchers.
    Votes in the full chambers were expected this week. Instead, Democrats bolted.
    Mr Dominguez said Democratic representatives would continue working on voting rights legislation and serving their constituents from afar, although he would not discuss their specific plans.
    Another Democratic state representative, James Talarico, tweeted a photo of himself alongside dozens of fellow departing legislators.
    "We're flying to DC to demand Congress pass the For The People Act and save our democracy," Mr Talarico said in the tweet.
    President Joe Biden's administration has pledged to continue pushing Congress to pass legislation that protects the right to vote.
    But Senate Republicans have not backed the legislation, likely dooming it.
    Mr Biden will discuss steps the administration plans to take to shore up voting rights in a speech on Tuesday, the White House said.
    If it sounds that way to you, then I suppose you support the elimination of the filibuster, right? "a subversion of the democratic process" by which the minority usurps the majority power through protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    This strikes me as a subversion of democracy and a dereliction of these Democrats duties as legislators and representatives.

    State politicians flee Texas to derail legislation on voting restrictions, abortion access - ABC News


    Dozens of Democratic politicians have left Texas as part of an orchestrated move to derail Republican efforts to pass new voting restrictions and other measures.

    Speaking from an airplane headed to Washington, DC, on Monday afternoon local time, Texas state Representative Alex Dominguez told Reuters that "nearly everyone" in the House of Representatives' 67-member Democratic caucus had fled the state.

    The exodus is intended to deny the legislature the quorum needed to approve any of the measures on Republican Governor Greg Abbott's special-session agenda, including bills restricting abortion access and blocking transgender students from competing in athletics events that correspond with their gender identity.
    Under Texas's constitution, represenatives who remain in the state can be arrested and forced to attend the capitol to make up a quorum.

    "If they keep wanting to throw oppressive bills, then we'll keep fighting them, in whatever way we have to," Mr Dominguez said.
    Democratic representatives staged a similar walkout on May 30 to boycott a vote on an earlier version of the voting legislation just before the legislature's regular session ended, prompting Mr Abbott to call the special session.
    Texas Republicans including the governor and Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan condemned the strategy.
    "The Democrats must put aside partisan political games and get back to the job they were elected to do," Mr Abbott said.

    Texas is one of a number of Republican-led states pushing new voting restrictions in the name of enhancing election security, citing former president Donald Trump's false claims that his November election defeat was the result of widespread fraud.
    On Sunday, House and Senate committees in the Texas legislature passed new versions of the voting measures, which would prohibit drive-through and 24-hour voting locations, add new identification requirements to mail-in voting and empower partisan poll watchers.
    Votes in the full chambers were expected this week. Instead, Democrats bolted.
    Mr Dominguez said Democratic representatives would continue working on voting rights legislation and serving their constituents from afar, although he would not discuss their specific plans.
    Another Democratic state representative, James Talarico, tweeted a photo of himself alongside dozens of fellow departing legislators.
    "We're flying to DC to demand Congress pass the For The People Act and save our democracy," Mr Talarico said in the tweet.
    President Joe Biden's administration has pledged to continue pushing Congress to pass legislation that protects the right to vote.
    But Senate Republicans have not backed the legislation, likely dooming it.
    Mr Biden will discuss steps the administration plans to take to shore up voting rights in a speech on Tuesday, the White House said.
    If it sounds that way to you, then I suppose you support the elimination of the filibuster, right? "a subversion of the democratic process" by which the minority usurps the majority power through protest.
    That’s a non-sequitur. The filibuster is an agreed upon procedural mechanism addressed to specific legislation. Absconding in the night because things aren’t going your way, and thus stopping all legislation, is certainly undemocratic and petty. Or, should the GOP minority in other state houses take this as a cue to do the same with your approval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post

    If it sounds that way to you, then I suppose you support the elimination of the filibuster, right? "a subversion of the democratic process" by which the minority usurps the majority power through protest.
    That’s a non-sequitur. The filibuster is an agreed upon procedural mechanism addressed to specific legislation. Absconding in the night because things aren’t going your way, and thus stopping all legislation, is certainly undemocratic and petty. Or, should the GOP minority in other state houses take this as a cue to do the same with your approval?
    This is basically a form of filibuster. Either blocking the vote acceptable or it's not acceptable, whether it's done by talking or not being there doesn't really change the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post

    If it sounds that way to you, then I suppose you support the elimination of the filibuster, right? "a subversion of the democratic process" by which the minority usurps the majority power through protest.
    That’s a non-sequitur. The filibuster is an agreed upon procedural mechanism addressed to specific legislation. Absconding in the night because things aren’t going your way, and thus stopping all legislation, is certainly undemocratic and petty. Or, should the GOP minority in other state houses take this as a cue to do the same with your approval?
    This is basically a form of filibuster. Either blocking the vote acceptable or it's not acceptable, whether it's done by talking or not being there doesn't really change the picture.
    The filibuster is an accepted and agreed procedure. It’s a procedure the Senate made itself; used by both major parties when in the minority. Running away like a spoiled brat is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    This is basically a form of filibuster. Either blocking the vote acceptable or it's not acceptable, whether it's done by talking or not being there doesn't really change the picture.
    The filibuster is an accepted and agreed procedure. It’s a procedure the Senate made itself; used by both major parties when in the minority. [Running away like a spoiled brat is not.
    Sure it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonatha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    This is basically a form of filibuster. Either blocking the vote acceptable or it's not acceptable, whether it's done by talking or not being there doesn't really change the picture.
    The filibuster is an accepted and agreed procedure. It’s a procedure the Senate made itself; used by both major parties when in the minority. [Running away like a spoiled brat is not.
    Sure it is.
    Again. Not the same. The Senate literally has a rule governing use of the filibuster.

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