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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A dead bird is food for other creatures and decomposes back to nutrients retuned to the environment.

    Is it moral to damper with Mother Nature as if we are god?
    But humans are part of Mother Nature. So how are we tampering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A dead bird is food for other creatures and decomposes back to nutrients retuned to the environment.

    Is it moral to damper with Mother Nature as if we are god?
    But humans are part of Mother Nature. So how are we tampering?
    Precisely.

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    My wife, a devout Buddhist, is intent on saving lives. We have five different varieties of lizard, umpteen varieties of bird (hoopoes, herons, crows, owls, sunbirds, starlings, mynahs, etc. etc), squirrels and more on our property. My wife has nurtured several injured birds back to health. Sometimes one ends up in our house and can't find the way out. We open doors and windows and gently shoo them out.

    The Hoopoe bird, which I'd never heard of until we wanted to figure out what we were seeing several years ago, is the Most Beautiful Bird in the world. We have an extended family of hoopoes living near our house now. In a corner of the roof, a tile is broken giving a little sanctuary — easy entrance to a place protected from rain — and that sanctuary has been the nest for several baby hoopoes over the years. We take care to keep trees and bushes pruned to deny snakes access to the hoopoe nest.

    There is a family of chickens living in our old (haunted?) orchard. My wife insists they are a different variety — they fly much better than ordinary chickens — but I'd have guessed them to be ordinary chickens who somehow fled from any of several neighbors who raise chicken. Occasionally a neighbor's cat comes to our property and is forced up a tree to escape from our dogs. Rescuing that cat becomes high priority.

    When she sees a poisonous scorpion, she doesn't kill it — she sweeps it into a bottle and escorts it back to the orchard. Mosquitoes and poisonous centipedes are about the only creatures we deliberately kill ourselves. (We also get poisonous snakes, but one of the primary duties of our dogs is to banish or kill snakes!) The last time we had a snake (Russell's viper! ) inside the house, I asked a neighbor for help. He caught the snake's head in a noose and escorted him alive to the old orchard. Buddhism forbids killing creatures. Monks don't even swat mosquitoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebeave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A dead bird is food for other creatures and decomposes back to nutrients retuned to the environment.

    Is it moral to damper with Mother Nature as if we are god?
    But humans are part of Mother Nature. So how are we tampering?
    A manner of speaking, metaphor,, a witty saying....

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    The human mind transcends "mother nature".

    It peeks under mother nature's clothing to see what is there.

    It knows about itself and mother nature. Mother nature knows nothing. Evolution is a blind process.

    Free will does not exist until brains evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A dead bird is food for other creatures and decomposes back to nutrients retuned to the environment.

    Is it moral to damper with Mother Nature as if we are god?
    Yes, because to say otherwise is to proclaim "nature, just so" as god in the place of the god you claim you do not worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swammerdami View Post
    My wife, a devout Buddhist, is intent on saving lives. We have five different varieties of lizard, umpteen varieties of bird (hoopoes, herons, crows, owls, sunbirds, starlings, mynahs, etc. etc), squirrels and more on our property. My wife has nurtured several injured birds back to health. Sometimes one ends up in our house and can't find the way out. We open doors and windows and gently shoo them out.

    The Hoopoe bird, which I'd never heard of until we wanted to figure out what we were seeing several years ago, is the Most Beautiful Bird in the world. We have an extended family of hoopoes living near our house now. In a corner of the roof, a tile is broken giving a little sanctuary — easy entrance to a place protected from rain — and that sanctuary has been the nest for several baby hoopoes over the years. We take care to keep trees and bushes pruned to deny snakes access to the hoopoe nest.

    There is a family of chickens living in our old (haunted?) orchard. My wife insists they are a different variety — they fly much better than ordinary chickens — but I'd have guessed them to be ordinary chickens who somehow fled from any of several neighbors who raise chicken. Occasionally a neighbor's cat comes to our property and is forced up a tree to escape from our dogs. Rescuing that cat becomes high priority.

    When she sees a poisonous scorpion, she doesn't kill it — she sweeps it into a bottle and escorts it back to the orchard. Mosquitoes and poisonous centipedes are about the only creatures we deliberately kill ourselves. (We also get poisonous snakes, but one of the primary duties of our dogs is to banish or kill snakes!) The last time we had a snake (Russell's viper! ) inside the house, I asked a neighbor for help. He caught the snake's head in a noose and escorted him alive to the old orchard. Buddhism forbids killing creatures. Monks don't even swat mosquitoes.

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    I would like to think that the desire and willingness to help other creatures unbidden is a learnable one, and one that things understand the benefits to.

    If you save a bird today, maybe you have a friend for a long time. Or sometimes you get an annoying asshole who bothers you too much and takes up space under your eves or whatever. It's worth the risk to try making a friend.

    And as more people learn that, maybe we end up in a better world where we aren't at odds with our non-human neighbors. And with our human neighbors too, maybe?

    I kill when some creature makes it them or me. I don't often even step on ants. I don't let them in my house though. If the ants can guard their house, I can guard mine.

    Being kind to a bird is about being a friend to someone in need, plain and simple. If anyone wants to believe the bird should be left to die broken and alone, that's their business, but they best not tell me when I am deciding who to help, or to be there with, when the end is threatening.

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