Page 1 of 34 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 334

Thread: Creation "science" and a Bible-based morality

  1. Top | #1
    Veteran Member excreationist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,507
    Archived
    4,886
    Total Posts
    6,393
    Rep Power
    79

    Creation "science" and a Bible-based morality

    From Ken Ham's "The Genesis Solution" - Two Castles - the opposition is attacking the literalist Creationist view while the church is attacking the issues like pornography and homosexuality or attacking each other....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQg30zvvEgI&t=1509s



    In "The Genesis Solution" Ken Ham says that the Bible (and a literal Genesis) is the foundation for wearing clothes and being against homosexuality (God didn't make "Adam and Steve"). It says that evolution justifies racist views, divorce, abortion, and relativistic morality.

    So promoting Creationism can have moral reasons so that you have a strong foundation when trying to promote Biblical values like being against homosexuality, and men being the spiritual head of the family. So that gives Christians more reasons to support Creation science....

    Though of course modern day slavery is still wrong - or it is ok under certain circumstances in Bible times....
    https://answersingenesis.org/kids/bi...omote-slavery/
    https://answersingenesis.org/bible-q...pport-slavery/

    Updated pictures:
    https://answersingenesis.org/apologe...g-the-message/





    About clothing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQg30zvvEgI&t=1010s
    "What did God do? He gave them coats - the first blood sacrifices are covering for their sin - beautiful picture of something to come wasn't it?"

  2. Top | #2
    Contributor
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    5,147
    Rep Power
    33
    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    From Ken Ham's "The Genesis Solution" - Two Castles - the opposition is attacking the literalist Creationist view while the church is attacking the issues like pornography and homosexuality or attacking each other....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQg30zvvEgI&t=1509s



    In "The Genesis Solution" Ken Ham says that the Bible (and a literal Genesis) is the foundation for wearing clothes and being against homosexuality (God didn't make "Adam and Steve"). It says that evolution justifies racist views, divorce, abortion, and relativistic morality.

    So promoting Creationism can have moral reasons so that you have a strong foundation when trying to promote Biblical values like being against homosexuality, and men being the spiritual head of the family. So that gives Christians more reasons to support Creation science....

    Though of course modern day slavery is still wrong - or it is ok under certain circumstances in Bible times....
    https://answersingenesis.org/kids/bi...omote-slavery/
    https://answersingenesis.org/bible-q...pport-slavery/

    Updated pictures:
    https://answersingenesis.org/apologe...g-the-message/





    About clothing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQg30zvvEgI&t=1010s
    "What did God do? He gave them coats - the first blood sacrifices are covering for their sin - beautiful picture of something to come wasn't it?"
    What does it mean to "be against homosexuality"? There are gay people. How do I "go against" them? What should I attack? That they are what they are? It's bizarre. Sorry, but I'm not going to go against anyone. I'm so glad that I don't have to live a life according to an ancient flawed Jewish handbook in order to appease an invisible god who won't show himself.

  3. Top | #3
    Elder Contributor DBT's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    ɹǝpunuʍop puɐן
    Posts
    12,090
    Archived
    17,906
    Total Posts
    29,996
    Rep Power
    82
    Bible morality appears to be an oxymoron.

  4. Top | #4
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Port Clinton, Ohio
    Posts
    4,796
    Archived
    591
    Total Posts
    5,387
    Rep Power
    73
    If polling about Christianity in the US is accurate, the folks in the castle on the right reached their high water mark in the 1980s. That doesn't mean their zeal, lack of coherence, or delusions are lessening. Expect that, as they feel more benighted, they'll be even nuttier, very much like their overlapping brotherhood of Trump's angry old white folks.

  5. Top | #5
    Veteran Member James Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3,522
    Archived
    5,844
    Total Posts
    9,366
    Rep Power
    64
    Religion and morality have as much to do with each other and eyesight and eye color.

  6. Top | #6
    Veteran Member excreationist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,507
    Archived
    4,886
    Total Posts
    6,393
    Rep Power
    79
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    What does it mean to "be against homosexuality"? There are gay people. How do I "go against" them? What should I attack?
    Ken Ham thinks homosexuality is immoral in a similar way that people often think paedophilia is, especially if the person acts on their desires. Going against it would involve speaking out against it and discouraging it. In more recent versions of the picture this has become "gay marriage" and this would involve fighting the laws, chuches, etc.

  7. Top | #7
    Veteran Member excreationist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,507
    Archived
    4,886
    Total Posts
    6,393
    Rep Power
    79
    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    Religion and morality have as much to do with each other and eyesight and eye color.
    What about the ten commandments, etc? Morality based on "God's word" theoretically has an absolute foundation while "anything goes" if you base it on man's opinions.

  8. Top | #8
    Veteran Member James Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3,522
    Archived
    5,844
    Total Posts
    9,366
    Rep Power
    64
    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    Religion and morality have as much to do with each other and eyesight and eye color.
    What about the ten commandments, etc?
    The Ten Commandments are a good and original set of laws. Unfortunately, the Commandments that are good are not original, and the Commandments that are original are not good.

    Morality based on "God's word" theoretically has an absolute foundation while "anything goes" if you base it on man's opinions.
    Even if we assume for the sake of argument that A) God exists, and that B) he's deeply concerned about the morality of humans, and thus C) there is such a thing as "Objective Morality", there is no way that we Subjective humans can ever know what it is.

    Yes, certain people have said that God wants us to do such-and-such, and never to do so-and-so. But there's no reliable way for us to know that these are actually the thoughts and desires of God. What do we do when other people say that God actually desires something completely different?

    All we can do is use the tools that we have available (or if you insist, the tools that God gave us) to determine how to maximize human well-being. Tools like Reason, and Empathy, and Evidence-Based Thinking.

    That "religious people" have found that certain behaviors are more desirous than others does not mean that Faith or Religion provides some special insights unavailable to the rest of us. All cultures will prohibit murder for as long as the majority of citizens object to being murdered.

    C.S. Lewis was fond of arguing that most people agree on basic rules of decency and fair play, and that is evidence that God exists. Well, arguing that God exists because most people are moral is like arguing that Cupid exists because most people fall in love.

  9. Top | #9
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Port Clinton, Ohio
    Posts
    4,796
    Archived
    591
    Total Posts
    5,387
    Rep Power
    73
    Morality is always man-made and group-made and is the rebuttal, by man, of 'anything goes'. It is the social contract, imperfect as that is and imperfectly followed, as it obviously is. One guy washed up on a deserted island? No need for a moral code. A second person washes up? A code will exist before they know it, whether it's explicitly stated or not. Morality = the rules of group living. Requires no gods, priests, angels, devils, sons of gods, et al. If they intrude on the picture, it's pure pixie dust.

  10. Top | #10
    Veteran Member excreationist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,507
    Archived
    4,886
    Total Posts
    6,393
    Rep Power
    79
    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    The Ten Commandments are a good and original set of laws. Unfortunately, the Commandments that are good are not original, and the Commandments that are original are not good.
    Ken Ham might say that the ten commandments should be followed because they are from God, and whether they are seen by sinful humans as "good" or original is irrelevant.
    Even if we assume for the sake of argument that A) God exists, and that B) he's deeply concerned about the morality of humans, and thus C) there is such a thing as "Objective Morality", there is no way that we Subjective humans can ever know what it is.
    Based on the Bible and Genesis, Ken Ham would think it is pretty clear that the Bible speaks against pornography (lust), homosexuality, divorce, euthanasia, abortion, public nudity and revealing clothing, etc.
    Yes, certain people have said that God wants us to do such-and-such, and never to do so-and-so. But there's no reliable way for us to know that these are actually the thoughts and desires of God. What do we do when other people say that God actually desires something completely different?
    Well Christians disagree a lot but they try to do the best they can to understand "God's word"...

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •