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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
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    ....But it does not make sense to split off 'atheistic evolution' from creationism unless you refer to every science as atheistic.
    I'm saying there is atheistic evolution and theistic evolution - not that evolution is always atheistic - but I rejected Christian theistic evolution and went straight to atheistic evolution.
    You are wrong, and unwilling to listen to what other people are telling you. There is biological evolution, which is a natural process that has been observed and tested. Biological evolution is neither theistic or atheistic, just as gravity and star formation and weather are neither theistic or atheistic. They are all natural processes that can be observed and tested by humans. You would be foolish to call gravity "atheistic", yet you have no problem referring to evolution as such. This is because your judgement is clouded by your bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atrib View Post
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    ....But it does not make sense to split off 'atheistic evolution' from creationism unless you refer to every science as atheistic.
    I'm saying there is atheistic evolution and theistic evolution - not that evolution is always atheistic - but I rejected Christian theistic evolution and went straight to atheistic evolution.
    You are wrong, and unwilling to listen to what other people are telling you. There is biological evolution, which is a natural process that has been observed and tested. Biological evolution is neither theistic or atheistic, just as gravity and star formation and weather are neither theistic or atheistic. They are all natural processes that can be observed and tested by humans. You would be foolish to call gravity "atheistic", yet you have no problem referring to evolution as such. This is because your judgement is clouded by your bias.
    They are using awfully contrived labels. Better labels would be naturalistic evolution (which occurs naturally) and divine evolution (which occurs naturally by the design of some god(s)).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    You are wrong, and unwilling to listen to what other people are telling you. There is biological evolution, which is a natural process that has been observed and tested. Biological evolution is neither theistic or atheistic, just as gravity and star formation and weather are neither theistic or atheistic. They are all natural processes that can be observed and tested by humans. You would be foolish to call gravity "atheistic", yet you have no problem referring to evolution as such. This is because your judgement is clouded by your bias.
    They are using awfully contrived labels. Better labels would be naturalistic evolution (which occurs naturally) and divine evolution (which occurs naturally by the design of some god(s)).
    Is there a science that DOESN'T occur naturally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    You are wrong, and unwilling to listen to what other people are telling you. There is biological evolution, which is a natural process that has been observed and tested. Biological evolution is neither theistic or atheistic, just as gravity and star formation and weather are neither theistic or atheistic. They are all natural processes that can be observed and tested by humans. You would be foolish to call gravity "atheistic", yet you have no problem referring to evolution as such. This is because your judgement is clouded by your bias.
    They are using awfully contrived labels. Better labels would be naturalistic evolution (which occurs naturally) and divine evolution (which occurs naturally by the design of some god(s)).
    Is there a science that DOESN'T occur naturally?
    Apparently there is because we have a subforum called Natural Science. By implication there must be unnatural sciences.

    But all science by definition is natural so I don't really get the distinction. The bias certainly comes from that human propensity to think of ourselves as not being another evolved organism, not being part of the animal world, part of nature. It's how most of us are raised to think so I guess it's natural.

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    I'm pretty sure divine evolution is the god of old-time Palestine killing off humanity in chapter 7 of his mind-blowing book and then turning up as the god of love 'n' mercy in Party II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    What do you call it if it is evolution that isn't theistic? (non-theistic evolution?)
    Science.
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    ....Once more, science is neutral on divine action. It does not require DA, nor does it specifically exclude DA.
    You seem to be contradicting yourself. I agree with Jimmy Higgins in post #122 that it could be called "naturalistic evolution".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    They are using awfully contrived labels. Better labels would be naturalistic evolution (which occurs naturally) and divine evolution (which occurs naturally by the design of some god(s)).
    I prefer "guided evolution" because it could be possible it is part of a simulation and an AI is involved that some people wouldn't consider to be a god. Or there could be retrocausality (probably not) where things from the future affect the past - also not involving a god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atrib View Post
    .....Biological evolution is neither theistic or atheistic....
    But what about naturalistic biological evolution and guided biological evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
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    ....Once more, science is neutral on divine action. It does not require DA, nor does it specifically exclude DA.
    You seem to be contradicting yourself. I agree with Jimmy Higgins in post #122 that it could be called "naturalistic evolution".
    Please identify the contradiction.

    And please identify any area of actual scientific investigation that is not naturalistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excreationist View Post
    But what about naturalistic biological evolution and guided biological evolution?
    In the first, you add a word unnecessarily.
    In the second, you add an intelligence baselessly.

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