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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    If you had bothered to read the OP, you'd have seen that they are not being sent to situations where there are guns:
    Sure, it works until someone lies about the nature of the problem because they don't want their dangerous relative shot.
    Making perfection the enemy of the good... again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    Sure, it works until someone lies about the nature of the problem because they don't want their dangerous relative shot.
    This is a prediction on your part.
    Police already walk into hot scenes because of this. Replacing cops with social workers won't change the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Sure, it works until someone lies about the nature of the problem because they don't want their dangerous relative shot.
    This is a prediction on your part.
    Police already walk into hot scenes because of this. Replacing cops with social workers won't change the problem.
    While the problem does not change, the response will since social workers respond much differently than police. Of course, as Ziprhead pointed out, there you go again making the perfect the enemy of the good.

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    It is happening in Seattle, and the police are for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
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    Police already walk into hot scenes because of this. Replacing cops with social workers won't change the problem.
    While the problem does not change, the response will since social workers respond much differently than police. Of course, as Ziprhead pointed out, there you go again making the perfect the enemy of the good.
    The problem is a social worker will walk into a hot situation and die. Then see what happens to the programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
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    If you had bothered to read the OP, you'd have seen that they are not being sent to situations where there are guns:
    Sure, it works until someone lies about the nature of the problem because they don't want their dangerous relative shot.
    Making perfection the enemy of the good... again.
    But isn't that what started this all in the first place? Expecting perfection from cops doing their job, and replacing them with mental health or social workers when they fall short?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    Sure, it works until someone lies about the nature of the problem because they don't want their dangerous relative shot.
    So you’re saying there’s a situation where there is family present who want to prevent escalation…. That’s not the difficult end of the spectrum, really.

    To be fair, the EMTs in my town responded to a call for a man with chest pains, only to arrive and discover he had chest pains because his wife put a knife there. But the reason the wife called that way was because she was invested in deescalating, the EMTs did their job, and also called for back-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Police already walk into hot scenes because of this. Replacing cops with social workers won't change the problem.
    While the problem does not change, the response will since social workers respond much differently than police. Of course, as Ziprhead pointed out, there you go again making the perfect the enemy of the good.
    The problem is a social worker will walk into a hot situation and die. Then see what happens to the programs.
    Most rational people are willing to make that gamble in policy for now. It is certainly better than the current situation where the police tend to escalate the situation with the mentally or emotionally disturbed.

    I realize that the concept of minimizing needless deaths of civilians, police and social workers is alien to you, but it is a goal of many people. This experiment is viewed by NYC as a worthy one. I applaud their willingness to reduce the pointless bloodshed with this experiment. So far, it appears to be a success.

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