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    Why HRW is untrustworthy

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/...g-may-fighting

    From their own report:

    Quote Originally Posted by HRW, quoting Mohammed Mohammed
    When I first saw it, it was high in the air. Then it gradually descended as it came in our direction. It exploded about one meter from the ground. Something hit me in the eye, the abdomen, and legs. I flew into the air and landed on the ground. I didn’t lose consciousness.
    This couldn't have happened. If HRW had competent people they would know it's a fabrication. It's inclusion in their report clearly demonstrates either they don't care if it's true or they aren't competent to recognize it can't be true.

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    What exactly couldn't have happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/...g-may-fighting

    From their own report:

    Quote Originally Posted by HRW, quoting Mohammed Mohammed
    When I first saw it, it was high in the air. Then it gradually descended as it came in our direction. It exploded about one meter from the ground. Something hit me in the eye, the abdomen, and legs. I flew into the air and landed on the ground. I didn’t lose consciousness.
    This couldn't have happened. If HRW had competent people they would know it's a fabrication. It's inclusion in their report clearly demonstrates either they don't care if it's true or they aren't competent to recognize it can't be true.
    HRW reported what this person said.

    As barbos asked, what exactly are you claiming is impossible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    What exactly couldn't have happened?
    Because Hollywood movies teach us that only good guys survive explosions, and Palestinians can't be good guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/27/...g-may-fighting

    From their own report:

    Quote Originally Posted by HRW, quoting Mohammed Mohammed
    When I first saw it, it was high in the air. Then it gradually descended as it came in our direction. It exploded about one meter from the ground. Something hit me in the eye, the abdomen, and legs. I flew into the air and landed on the ground. I didn’t lose consciousness.
    This couldn't have happened. If HRW had competent people they would know it's a fabrication. It's inclusion in their report clearly demonstrates either they don't care if it's true or they aren't competent to recognize it can't be true.
    I don't have a dog in this fight. Both sides have blood on their hands; both sides have also sought reasonable, peaceful solutions. I'm similarly ambivalent about HRW--I can easily imagine the organization is well-intentioned and could provide an indispensable outlet for offenses that might otherwise go unreported. I can just as easily imagine that bias could potentially color their viewpoint and hamper their objectivity, since they have such a sharply defined purpose or agenda.

    However, neither of those two contexts represent my quibble with your post.

    What I would ask you to do is to explain, to this former military munitions officer, precisely and exactly WHAT in the quoted Mohammed Mohammed account "couldn't have happened."

    Do know this, though: two of the units I served in had, as a primary weapons system, low subsonic cruise missiles. In other words, you aren't going to bullshit me.

    Another avenue open to you (and, honestly, the one I'd recommend taking) would be to clarify, soften, or otherwise "walk back" the language and reasoning with which you impugned the integrity of HRW--which, again, I must stress, is not my interest. I make no declaration on that issue either way.

    But I do look forward to being schooled on how aerial munitions work, if you choose to go THAT route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTalking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    What exactly couldn't have happened?
    Because Hollywood movies teach us that only good guys survive explosions, and Palestinians can't be good guys?
    Actually anyone can these days. If The Professional was made today, Stansfield would have just walked out of the building, wiping the soot off his face.

    The obsession with Palestine with some is a bit much. Palestinians live in squalor. Hamas and Hezbollah are less interested in changing that than creating problems. Israel is run by radicals. To be combing articles for inaccuracies is just obsessive and pointless.

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    The Israeli military said in part that it “strikes military targets exclusively, following an assessment that the potential collateral damage resulting from the attack is not excessive in relation to the expected military advantage

    If this violent invasion is politically important we allow for more civilian casualties in other words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAmmo View Post

    What I would ask you to do is to explain, to this former military munitions officer, precisely and exactly WHAT in the quoted Mohammed Mohammed account "couldn't have happened."

    Do know this, though: two of the units I served in had, as a primary weapons system, low subsonic cruise missiles. In other words, you aren't going to bullshit me.

    Another avenue open to you (and, honestly, the one I'd recommend taking) would be to clarify, soften, or otherwise "walk back" the language and reasoning with which you impugned the integrity of HRW--which, again, I must stress, is not my interest. I make no declaration on that issue either way.

    But I do look forward to being schooled on how aerial munitions work, if you choose to go THAT route.
    I had a similar quibble. As a former USAF Aircraft Armament System specialist with only a few years of experience loading bombs and missiles on F-111's there was nothing that seemed implausible about the account to me.

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    Here is footage of a bomb drop in Syria. You can clearly observe the bomb dropping all the way to the ground.

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    There is what the person said and then there is what LP heard.

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