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    Returning to an old topic--Gaza and the vaccine

    We have even more evidence that the flap about the expiration dates was garbage:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...itudes-in-gaza

    They've got a vaccination rate below 5% because the people won't take it. They're out of arms, not out of vaccine.

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    Maybe they watch too much Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Maybe they watch too much Fox News.
    Or, maybe, Gazan news sources are about as reliable as Fox?
    Tom

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    I find it interesting that LP wishes to draw attention to a forgotten minor event. But the OP mixes two distinct issues - expiration dates of vaccines with willingness to have a vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    I find it interesting that LP wishes to draw attention to a forgotten minor event. But the OP mixes two distinct issues - expiration dates of vaccines with willingness to have a vaccine.
    The point is if they needed it for their people the dates wouldn't have mattered.

    However, if the true plan had been to pull a Saddam and sell it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    I find it interesting that LP wishes to draw attention to a forgotten minor event. But the OP mixes two distinct issues - expiration dates of vaccines with willingness to have a vaccine.
    The point is if they needed it for their people the dates wouldn't have mattered.
    Except they do need it for their people, so the dates matter for those who want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Maybe they watch too much Fox News.
    Or, maybe, Gazan news sources are about as reliable as Fox?
    Tom
    0/0 is mathematically undefined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    I find it interesting that LP wishes to draw attention to a forgotten minor event. But the OP mixes two distinct issues - expiration dates of vaccines with willingness to have a vaccine.
    The point is if they needed it for their people the dates wouldn't have mattered.
    Except they do need it for their people, so the dates matter for those who want it.
    This brings up a question I don't know how to even research.

    Given that the vaccine's expiration is measured in hours, after removing from super deep freeze, that's got to have a huge impact on availability in areas were simple things like electricity can't be taken for granted.

    That's much of the modern world, from Gaza to rural India to small villages in Africa or South America. Lots of places just don't have the infrastructure to reliably keep the delicate vaccine viable.
    That seems like a huge problem to me, but one I never hear addressed.


    On a side note, does anybody have a simple answer about why this is? I've never heard of the problem with other vaccines, but it also never occurred to me to wonder.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Except they do need it for their people, so the dates matter for those who want it.
    This brings up a question I don't know how to even research.

    Given that the vaccine's expiration is measured in hours, after removing from super deep freeze, that's got to have a huge impact on availability in areas were simple things like electricity can't be taken for granted.

    That's much of the modern world, from Gaza to rural India to small villages in Africa or South America. Lots of places just don't have the infrastructure to reliably keep the delicate vaccine viable.
    That seems like a huge problem to me, but one I never hear addressed.


    On a side note, does anybody have a simple answer about why this is? I've never heard of the problem with other vaccines, but it also never occurred to me to wonder.
    Tom
    The X-117M micro-chip in the vaccine must be stored in cold and can only last 12 hours once exposed to air. CIA needs to up their game here IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Except they do need it for their people, so the dates matter for those who want it.
    This brings up a question I don't know how to even research.

    Given that the vaccine's expiration is measured in hours, after removing from super deep freeze, that's got to have a huge impact on availability in areas were simple things like electricity can't be taken for granted.

    That's much of the modern world, from Gaza to rural India to small villages in Africa or South America. Lots of places just don't have the infrastructure to reliably keep the delicate vaccine viable.
    That seems like a huge problem to me, but one I never hear addressed.


    On a side note, does anybody have a simple answer about why this is? I've never heard of the problem with other vaccines, but it also never occurred to me to wonder.
    Tom
    The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use mRNA which is extremely fragile. These vaccines work by “ teaching” the body’s defense system to make a protein which will combat yhe covid virus.

    Traditional vaccines use some of the disease to activate the bodies defense system. These are not as fragile.

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