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    Israel will retaliate if the Palestinians take further unilateral steps in pursuit of statehood.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26910400


    '...Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu sayshis country will retaliate if the Palestinians take furtherunilateral steps in pursuit of statehood.


    He told a weekly cabinet meeting thatIsrael would not continue peace talks with the Palestinians at anyprice.


    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas hasapplied to 15 UN conventions, accusing Israel of backtracking on itspromises.,,'


    Retaliate ...just t like the Arabsretaliated against the Jew unilaterally declaring a state and seizingArab lands.


    My support for Israel has gone frompositive to neutral to negative.


    If the UN recognizes a Palestinian itmeans Israel will be attacking and seizing lands in another country.Probably terrifies Netanyahu.


    Israel has not followed through on pastagreements,. Thee PLO through Arafat formally accepted Israel. Abbasaccepts that. At this point it is all about Israeli taking land.


    Considering how Israel came about adits following unprovoked aggression in the Suez War it ishypocritical for Israel to oppose a Palestinian state.


    At this point to hell with Israel andits self made problems.

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    One of the agreements about the peace talks is that the Palestinians would not go making separate diplomatic actions during the talks. Thus what we are seeing is the Palestinians once again going directly against what they had just agreed to.

    Why bother with peace talks when the other side doesn't abide by their agreements anyway?

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    Don't conservative Israelis constantly point out that all Muslims are bad because they don't think Israel should exist as a nation?

    So if we accept the logic of conservative Israelis, doesn't this prove that all Jews are also bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underseer View Post
    Don't conservative Israelis constantly point out that all Muslims are bad because they don't think Israel should exist as a nation?

    So if we accept the logic of conservative Israelis, doesn't this prove that all Jews are also bad?
    That is the issue to me.

    There is no possible military threat to Israel, even Iran. The problem for Israel is if the UN recognizes a Palestinian state, any actions Israel takes unliterary comes under international laws of actions between states..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    One of the agreements about the peace talks is that the Palestinians would not go making separate diplomatic actions during the talks. Thus what we are seeing is the Palestinians once again going directly against what they had just agreed to.
    Can you substantiate your claim about about that agreement?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Why bother with peace talks when the other side doesn't abide by their agreements anyway?
    You are defending Abbas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bnk View Post
    That is the issue to me.

    There is no possible military threat to Israel, even Iran. The problem for Israel is if the UN recognizes a Palestinian state, any actions Israel takes unliterary comes under international laws of actions between states..
    Iranian puppets shooting rockets at Israeli cities certainly qualifies as "military threat". Perhaps not existential threat at this point, but still unacceptable for any country.
    The problem is that UN is very biased against Israel. Nobody believes that military aggression from Gaza would be treated "under international laws of actions between states". After all such military aggression from Lebanon is ignored, while Israel is made to be bad guys for defending themselves.

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    Israel earned its right to exist theold fashion way, by force. I have no problem with its existence andsupprt its existence in general.


    That being said there are two sides tothe issue. Israel took land by force without compensation. To manyPalestinians the war with Israel over their homeland inclusive ofwhat is mow Israel never ended. To them Iranian rockets are instruments of terror but instruments of war.


    Pragmatically in spite of Netanyahuwailing Israel is under imminent existential threats, Israel faces noreal military opposition.


    At this point I believe the Israeliexpansionist conservatives are served by the relatively harmlessrocket attacks. It gives them reason to not work out a deal with thePalestinian over land. It is interesting that a few years backNetanyahu said in an interview he thought Iran would be rational withnuclear weapons.


    Netanyahu has stated explicitly Israelwill expand into Palestinian lands as it sees fit, primarily byhistorical right. Jerusalem is Israel's to have alone by right. Samerational by Putin over Crimea.


    I imagine the greatest fear the Israeliconservatives have right now is a Palestinian state recognized by theUN and internationally. I would mean fixed borders and any violationsof sovereignty by Israel would have legal consequences. They could nolonger arbitrarily seize Palestinian land as is being done today.


    Today expansionist Israel is as muchaggressor to the Palestinians as the extremists are to Israeli eyes.

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    Ithink it's ridiculous that Israel is feeling so insecure that it gets its panties in a bunch over Palestinians filing paperwork to join some minor UN organizations. Not even getting admitted, but simply trying to join. This is like me getting evicted by my land lord for subscribing to Reader's Digest or some other bullshit pretext.

    A measured response from Israel would be to apply to join the same organizations itself, if it is not a member already. That'd show the Palestinians who's who!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    One of the agreements about the peace talks is that the Palestinians would not go making separate diplomatic actions during the talks. Thus what we are seeing is the Palestinians once again going directly against what they had just agreed to.

    Why bother with peace talks when the other side doesn't abide by their agreements anyway?
    Does Israel refrain from separate diplomatic actions while "negotiating peace" with Palestine? The Palestinians have so little left to negotiate with, they need allies. So while you condemn them for seeking statehood and dealing with other states, you are okay with Netanyahu doing whatever he wishes on the world stage. Your post smacks of duplicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkirk View Post
    Does Israel refrain from separate diplomatic actions while "negotiating peace" with Palestine? The Palestinians have so little left to negotiate with, they need allies. So while you condemn them for seeking statehood and dealing with other states, you are okay with Netanyahu doing whatever he wishes on the world stage. Your post smacks of duplicity.
    What you're missing is the fact that the Palestinians agreed not to. If they hadn't agreed to that they would have done nothing wrong in applying.

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