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    Collective Guilt

    My father was not racist but two of my uncles were certainly racists and open about it. Do I feel guilty in anyway about it being in my white family, no.

    Do I feel a collective guilt as a white person for past grievances, no. Do I wear a crown of thorns, no.

    Do I feel past and present racial grievances need to be addressed, yes.

    I do not walk around carrying the weight of actions done by others.

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    A hundred years from now most diseases will have cures, human life span is greatly extended, and you can have your brain scanned and live forever in virtual reality.

    So every single person living now is getting a shitty deal compared to people who aren't even born yet. No reason to feel guilty about being born in the top 1% or whatever, because that's still just a participation trophy in the grand scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    My father was not racist but two of my uncles were certainly racists and open about it. Do I feel guilty in anyway about it being in my white family, no.

    Do I feel a collective guilt as a white person for past grievances, no. Do I wear a crown of thorns, no.

    Do I feel past and present racial grievances need to be addressed, yes.

    I do not walk around carrying the weight of actions done by others.
    You think Mongolians feel any guilt about their ancestors? Neither should you.


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    I predict nothing but good things for this thread. It could very well be the most productive discussion in the history of the internet.

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    If Mongolians had maintained top dog status would there be Mongolian Privilege as something to combat?

    At this point their history is a consolation prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by repoman View Post
    If Mongolians had maintained top dog status would there be Mongolian Privilege as something to combat?

    At this point their history is a consolation prize.
    Nearly every people in history tried to be top dog. To try to shame someone’s top dog ancestors because you ain’t got any is sour grapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    I predict nothing but good things for this thread. It could very well be the most productive discussion in the history of the internet.
    Fully agree, We're off to a great start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjay View Post
    A hundred years from now most diseases will have cures, human life span is greatly extended, and you can have your brain scanned and live forever in virtual reality.

    So every single person living now is getting a shitty deal compared to people who aren't even born yet. No reason to feel guilty about being born in the top 1% or whatever, because that's still just a participation trophy in the grand scheme of things.
    I hope you are right, quite the times we are living in with both amazing technology and yet tons of people are eating terrible food and getting diabetes and young ages.

    So many people strung out on dopamine boosts.

    Will there not be enough gas in the tank for energy to give all of this cool technology to everyone?

    1939 World's Fair. Elysium or a Mad Max future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    My father was not racist but two of my uncles were certainly racists and open about it. Do I feel guilty in anyway about it being in my white family, no.

    Do I feel a collective guilt as a white person for past grievances, no. Do I wear a crown of thorns, no.

    Do I feel past and present racial grievances need to be addressed, yes.

    I do not walk around carrying the weight of actions done by others.
    Yesterday’s racism.

    I think today’s goal is empathy.
    While white person can never fully appreciate what it is like to live a black life, yesterday’s racism should not be used as an excuse to ignore the advantages and disadvantages of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Do I feel past and present racial grievances need to be addressed, yes.
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    What do you mean by this? What concretely does it entail? To me it looks like you're saying that you don't feel guilt but you like to pretend you do, or something equally confusing. I don't get it. Either you're guilty or not. You are the collective. If the collective is guilty of something, then so are you.

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