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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Same for whites today, No shame for neing white, but culturally we are somewhat guided now by the abuses of the past.
    One of the things that makes White/Western people WEIRD is that they uniquely have an out group preference. No other people would feel shame about their ancestors’ bad behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Same for whites today, No shame for neing white, but culturally we are somewhat guided now by the abuses of the past.
    One of the things that makes White/Western people WEIRD is that they uniquely have an out group preference. No other people would feel shame about their ancestors’ bad behavior.
    That's because what they call shame others call reflecting and learning from the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Same for whites today, No shame for neing white, but culturally we are somewhat guided now by the abuses of the past.
    One of the things that makes White/Western people WEIRD is that they uniquely have an out group preference. No other people would feel shame about their ancestors’ bad behavior.
    That's because what they call shame others call reflecting and learning from the past.
    Or it’s a result of the Church prohibition on cousin marriage and the pattern of delayed marriage that arose in the middle ages. The out group preference is a bizarre characteristic of White/Western people.


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    The Japanese - no shame for their ancestors.

    Mimizuka


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    Statue of Madame Tinubu in Nigeria. No one is tearing this down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    That's because what they call shame others call reflecting and learning from the past.
    Or it’s a result of the Church prohibition on cousin marriage and the pattern of delayed marriage that arose in the middle ages. The out group preference is a bizarre characteristic of White/Western people.

    Hmm, I never thought about that. That was taking keep it in the family to the extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    The Japanese - no shame for their ancestors.
    The Mimizuka was dedicated September 28, 1597
    That is real history.

    Unlike the fake history created about some traitors that lost a war they started to preserve slavery.

    Statues put up by 20th Century racists to celebrate their own racist tendencies.

    Not history.

    Propaganda. Like putting up a statue of Stalin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    The Japanese - no shame for their ancestors.
    The Mimizuka was dedicated September 28, 1597
    That is real history.

    Unlike the fake history created about some traitors that lost a war they started to preserve slavery.

    Statues put up by 20th Century racists to celebrate their own racist tendencies.

    Not history.

    Propaganda. Like putting up a statue of Stalin.
    Ya see Gospel? Okay for out groups to behave badly. But of our own, shame, shame. White people are WEIRD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospel View Post

    That's because what they call shame others call reflecting and learning from the past.
    Or it’s a result of the Church prohibition on cousin marriage and the pattern of delayed marriage that arose in the middle ages. The out group preference is a bizarre characteristic of White/Western people.

    Hmm, I never thought about that. That was taking keep it in the family to the extreme.
    I think the reason for the Church prohibiting cousin marriage was a mix of Roman tradition and an effort to destroy European tribes; thus making Rome supreme. The result was an out group preference. In places were cousin marriage is still common, like Iraq, the tribes still exist and democracy a bit difficult. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_tribes_in_Iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    That is real history.

    Unlike the fake history created about some traitors that lost a war they started to preserve slavery.

    Statues put up by 20th Century racists to celebrate their own racist tendencies.

    Not history.

    Propaganda. Like putting up a statue of Stalin.
    Ya see Gospel? Okay for out groups to behave badly. But of our own, shame, shame. White people are WEIRD.
    I'm not sure that untermensche's comment is a good example of what I think you're getting at. I just read a little into the Mimizuka link you posted and it said:

    "In the 1970s under the Park Chung-hee administration, some of the officials of the South Korean government asked Japan to level the monument.[9] However, most South Koreans said that the mound should stay in Japan as a reminder of past savagery". If black people wanted the monuments to stay up as a constant reminder of savagery they wouldn't be getting torn down either. However, there are certain US Citizens that don't agree with it being repurposed for that but instead celebrate the savagery. thus why black folks said, "Oh hell naw".

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