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    Is the mind material or non-material?

    Not intended as a debate, but a poll born out of curiousity in regard to the percentage of members who support one or the other option. Give a reason for your choice, if you like.

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    hell I have only had a couple of conversations about mind body dualism, and I still don't know what a mind is...

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    An example of a cognitive experiment on the neural basis of consciousness.

    'The findings of this study could also help unravel the neural basis of consciousness.

    “The most fundamental characteristic of consciousness is its limited capacity. You only can hold a very few thoughts in mind simultaneously,” Miller says. These oscillations may explain why that is: Previous studies have shown that when an animal is holding two thoughts in mind, two different ensembles oscillate in beta frequencies, out of phase with one another.

    “That immediately suggests why there’s a limited capacity to consciousness: Only so many balls can be kept in the air at the same time, only a limited amount of information can fit into one oscillatory cycle,” Miller says.

    Studies have shown that patients with schizophrenia have reduced beta oscillations, suggesting that disruptions of these oscillations may be involved in such neurological disorders.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Not intended as a debate, but a poll born out of curiousity in regard to the percentage of members who support one or the other option. Give a reason for your choice, if you like.
    To the question "Is the mind a material activity of a brain?", the only reasonable answer we have is "we don't know".

    Unsurprisingly this option is not even offered in your poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Not intended as a debate, but a poll born out of curiousity in regard to the percentage of members who support one or the other option. Give a reason for your choice, if you like.
    To the question "Is the mind a material activity of a brain?", the only reasonable answer we have is "we don't know".

    Unsurprisingly this option is not even offered in your poll.
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    This poll was in response to discussion on whether the mind is physical or non physical in the ''physicalism'' thread. As one side claimed physical and the other claimed non physical mind, the option of ''unknown'' did not arise. What is this ''non physical substance anyway? What do we know about things that are not physical? What can we know?

    It is completely unfounded. I may as well have included ''invisible magic pixies'' as an option?

    What I have been saying is: we do not know how a brain generates the experience of mind, but the evidence supports physical brain activity as the basis of mind.

    Hence a simple two question poll.

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    The mind isn't the brain or the brain's activity; it is the product of the brain and its activity. The mind is no more material than is a class of dogs. Each dog and even the entire group of dogs within a class of dogs is material, but the classification itself in not of material substance--it is non-material. Both the brain and the brain's activity is material, but the mind that is born of that activity, however, is as non-material as is the classification of particular kinds of dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    It is completely unfounded. I may as well have included ''invisible magic pixies'' as an option?
    Me I think that most polls include a "d'ont know" option. Give people a chance to be honest for once.

    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    we do not know how a brain generates the experience of mind,
    Which is why you don't know that the mind is physical.

    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    but the evidence supports physical brain activity as the basis of mind.
    Evidence does not amount to knowledge. Evidence amounts to a belief that a particular course of actions should be followed rather than some other.

    Further, while our ideas could be correlated to what we take to be material processes I personally don't know of any evidence that supports the idea that subjective experience is somehow material. The only evidence I have in this respect is my knowledge of my subjective experience itself and it does not seem material to me, in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    The mind is no more material than is a class of dogs.
    Circular argument. A class may be an idea and nothing else but if the mind is material then so would ideas and so would classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    Me I think that most polls include a "d'ont know" option. Give people a chance to be honest for once.
    As I've already said, this poll was specifically posted in response to a posters claim in the 'physicalism' thread who claimed that the mind is in fact non material.

    Given your objection, I'd be quite happy to have your option included in the poll, but unless a moderator steps in and adds the question, there is not much I can do to edit the poll questions.

    Again, this poll was posted specifically posted in response to the claim that the mind is non material.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    Which is why you don't know that the mind is physical.
    I have no idea what 'non physical' is. Given that we inhabit a physical world of physical processes, I have no idea what anything 'non physical' may be.

    Given our physical world and our physical bodies and brain, senses, etc, 'non physical' seems to be synonymous with 'non existent'
    Seeing I know nothing about non physical things, I'll ask you to explain: What is the nature of this non physical stuff? How does it interact with the physical world?

    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    The only evidence I have in this respect is my knowledge of my subjective experience itself and it does not seem material to me, in any way.
    EB
    'Does not seem....?'' How do you know what it seems like, given that perception (subjective experience) does not encompass the neural production mechanisms and electrochemical activity that shapes and forms that very experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    The mind isn't the brain or the brain's activity; it is the product of the brain and its activity.
    This is nice and all but you don't have any evidence this is the case.

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