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    What do chimp ‘temples’ tell us about the evolution of religion?

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...n-of-religion/


    All hail the sacred tree. I’ve often wondered aloud in the newsroom about the possibility of finding evidence of a chimp shrine, the discovery of a place where chimps pray to their deity.

    This week, my half-whimsical dream almost came true. Biologists working in the Republic of Guinea found evidence for what seemed to be a “sacred tree” used by chimps, perhaps for some sort of ritual.

    Laura Kehoe of the Humboldt University of Berlin, Germany, set up camera traps by trees marked with unusual scratches. What she found gave her goosebumps: chimps were placing stones in the hollow of trees, and bashing trees with rocks.

    Sign or symbol
    The behaviour could be a means of communication, since rocks make a loud bang when they hit hollow trees. Or it could be more symbolic.


    “Maybe we found the first evidence of chimpanzees creating a kind of shrine that could indicate sacred trees,” Kehoe wrote on her blog.

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    Animals displaying religion?
    I thought we were all born atheist. Who taught the monkeys there's a God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Animals displaying religion?
    I thought we were all born atheist. Who taught the monkeys there's a God?
    Why do you leap to the conclusion that the monkeys thinks that there is a god?

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    Religion without God???
    Even apes aren't that stupid.

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    WAIT - they haven't made atheism a religion yet have they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Religion without God???
    Even apes aren't that stupid.
    ever heard of buddism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potoooooooo View Post
    https://www.newscientist.com/article...n-of-religion/


    All hail the sacred tree. I’ve often wondered aloud in the newsroom about the possibility of finding evidence of a chimp shrine, the discovery of a place where chimps pray to their deity.

    This week, my half-whimsical dream almost came true. Biologists working in the Republic of Guinea found evidence for what seemed to be a “sacred tree” used by chimps, perhaps for some sort of ritual.

    Laura Kehoe of the Humboldt University of Berlin, Germany, set up camera traps by trees marked with unusual scratches. What she found gave her goosebumps: chimps were placing stones in the hollow of trees, and bashing trees with rocks.

    Sign or symbol
    The behaviour could be a means of communication, since rocks make a loud bang when they hit hollow trees. Or it could be more symbolic.


    “Maybe we found the first evidence of chimpanzees creating a kind of shrine that could indicate sacred trees,” Kehoe wrote on her blog.
    Give only these two options, I'm going to go with 'the actions makes a deep sound the apes like/use to communicate'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by credoconsolans View Post
    Give only these two options, I'm going to go with 'the actions makes a deep sound the apes like/use to communicate'.
    Keep an eye on things. They could be stocking up for a good stoning. Apostate apes and all.

    Do penguins return to the same rookery because the ground is "sacred?"

    Do salmon return to the place of their birth to reproduce and then die because the waters are "sacred?"

    Do humans huddle together under bridges and overpasses because the ground is "sacred?"

    Why is it that when humans observe a behavior to be odd it is something with very deep meaning and "religious" significance? Isn't that really what religion is to the non religious, an observation of human behavior that defies rational explanation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Animals displaying religion?
    I thought we were all born atheist. Who taught the monkeys there's a God?
    It's superstition, which doesn't need a deity. What is needed to develop a superstitious beief is a significant event, ignorance of how that event occurred, emotion (fear, amazement, gratitude), and the ability to assume agency or intention in things external to the self.

    If other primates' brains work as ours do in terms of assuming agency and intention in the actions of others, then it would be no surprise at all to find that those primates also apply those same kinds of assumptions to events that appear to be actions of trees (or weather or inanimate objects, doesn't matter really).

    I have no idea if the research described here is any good, much less the suggested conclusion, but if they are on the right track in explaining the primates' behavior, it is evidence of natural, not supernatural, events in ordinary primate brains.

    So, not only NOT evidence of God, but more evidence that minds create Gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joedad View Post
    Why is it that when humans observe a behavior to be odd it is something with very deep meaning and "religious" significance? Isn't that really what religion is to the non religious, an observation of human behavior that defies rational explanation?
    Archaeologists do the same thing when they find a structure or item they can't explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juma View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Animals displaying religion?
    I thought we were all born atheist. Who taught the monkeys there's a God?
    Why do you leap to the conclusion that the monkeys thinks that there is a god?
    And when did chimps become monkeys?

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