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    Quote Originally Posted by funinspace;386071
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    They don't like math or physics, so I'm not sure how they have better models. It might be safer to bet on Douglas Adam's theories. At least the books are a good read, even if it is wrong about 42.
    They don't like maths or physics.... I have never heard this before. Or do you mean they used explanations far more simpler than the over thinking complexities within physics? An Occams razor simpler explanation ?

    I like the UE explanation of why the outer galaxies rotate equally as fast as the centre : Convention explains darkmatter (unproven) must be between the visible mass of stars only because its realised...they can't use gravity - being that the mass /stars is too far apart to effect each other let alone hold its place as the galaxy rotates. UE explains 'simple' electric , plasma principles that effect mass objects - the universe and matter having electrical charges.

    I did read where one of the EU Thunderbolts, had wanted to reverse engineer an UFO, but has since given up the idea...and joined this impressive group of cranks.
    I'd be very concerned if there were more than one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Also, we're right at the cusp of creating artificial life. Come back in 20 years and science will do this easy.
    That would only prove that life was created.
    Guys, you are arguing with an ID proponent from Alabama. Are you kidding?
    That's like getting ISIS to eat bacon.

    Wilson would be figuratively beheaded by his community for daring to learn.

    Don't waste your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learner View Post
    They don't like maths or physics.... I have never heard this before. Or do you mean they used explanations far more simpler than the over thinking complexities within physics? An Occams razor simpler explanation ?
    Electrical Engineering today absolutely needs physics, especially in the IC world of nanoscale...and it is f*in complex.

    If the EU proponents have anything real, they need to go into peer-reviewed journals.
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...lace-thornhill
    In physics, theories need math. That's how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn't big on math. In fact, "Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for "mainstream" astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.
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    "We know stars generate energy through nuclear fusion, not plasma discharge; we know craters are formed from asteroid and comet impacts, not huge electric arcs; we absolutely know that special and general relativity work, despite some EU proponents' claims," said Plait, who has tangled with EU commenters a time or two. "From what I've seen, most EU claims are on the cranky end of [the] scale. That's why most astronomers ignore it: No evidence for it, tons of evidence against it, and no support mathematically or physically."

    EU makes few predictions. It doesn't have a unified framework, or mathematical laws underpinning it. The underlying physics doesn't go far beyond, "It's electric."
    Maybe they could be roadies for Electric Avenue...

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    Electrical Engineering today absolutely needs physics, especially in the IC world of nanoscale...and it is f*in complex.
    I don't doubt it and within the various fields of science you can have many theories. Some contradicting others.


    Galaxy formation in the Plasma Universe is modeled as two adjacent interacting Birkeland filaments. The simulation produces a flat rotation curve, but no hypothetical dark matter is needed, as required by the conventional model of galaxy formation.

    http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation
    Thus far UE the better explanation in this regard.



    Repeatable tests , observable evidence is what you ask for ... generally.

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    Sorry , EU not UE

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Also, we're right at the cusp of creating artificial life. Come back in 20 years and science will do this easy.
    That would only prove that life was created.
    Please stay on the topic. Eyes that suck. But I agree that it will prove that that life is created. But not all life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Your posts are 'just' chemicals reacting.
    #Yawn
    #Undesigned
    exactly. No design needed. You're catching on
    You know I was specifically talking about your posts - right?
    Mine are somewhat more intentional than 10,000 monkeys typing on 10,000 keyboards
    and by random chance a Shakespearen Sonnet appears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Mine are somewhat more intentional than 10,000 monkeys typing on 10,000 keyboards and by random chance a Shakespearen Sonnet appears.
    chemical reactions are pretty orderly. Set fire to hydrogen, in the right conditions, and you get oxygen. That's not random chance.

    But it's also not evidence that some intelligence designed the process.

    Order is not necessarily divinely sourced. But we can detect the chemicals behind your intellect. If you have reason to think there's more to it than that, feel free to show any evidence for it beyond incredulity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrZoidberg View Post

    exactly. No design needed. You're catching on
    You know I was specifically talking about your posts - right?
    Mine are somewhat more intentional than 10,000 monkeys typing on 10,000 keyboards
    and by random chance a Shakespearen Sonnet appears.

    Do I need to explain why that comic is an argument against you, or can you figure this one out on your own?

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    Not really.
    Given enough time the monkeys might just as equally produce Gatsby or Hamlet or both.

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