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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric View Post
    old galactic - 'coolin' off' (i think this is jazz)
    Not bad for C-jazz. So much of it (C-jazz) though sounds like the soundtrack to porn.
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    well, they've changed over the years....


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    but this is what's tickling me now - sao paulo confessions, antropofagos


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    I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

    Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

    After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

    I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?

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    I agree, rosseau, but you never know when the next new era will come.

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    If you like some jazz-rock fusion, it is hard to go wrong with some Joe Zawinul:




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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

    Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

    After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

    I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?
    Have another drink, Rousseau…

    The increasing abstraction paralleled what happened in classical music. Much of which I guess you would also consider noise: Stockhausen, Boulez, Elliott Carter etc. I don't, nor is Coleman, tho I don't like everything I've heard from him, and especially not Coltrane.

    But that's not all that was going on in say 1965. Lee Morgan, Mingus, Horace Silver, Bobby Hutcherson, and many others were not in the avant grade. Those traditional approaches will not go away.

    As for building on the genre, of course it'll happen. Not as quickly, maybe and in unforeseen ways but I it's not over by a long shot. The fusion of African and European musics, dominated by African Americans, has taken over the whole planet. No, it's not over.

    Can you get to this? Problem is, you have to listen to the whole thing. Keep looking for something. It's there. Maybe a joint to go along with that wine…Coltrane was an acid head, you know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Parker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

    Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

    After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

    I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?
    Have another drink, Rousseau…

    The increasing abstraction paralleled what happened in classical music. Much of which I guess you would also consider noise: Stockhausen, Boulez, Elliott Carter etc. I don't, nor is Coleman, tho I don't like everything I've heard from him, and especially not Coltrane.

    But that's not all that was going on in say 1965. Lee Morgan, Mingus, Horace Silver, Bobby Hutcherson, and many others were not in the avant grade. Those traditional approaches will not go away.

    As for building on the genre, of course it'll happen. Not as quickly, maybe and in unforeseen ways but I it's not over by a long shot. The fusion of African and European musics, dominated by African Americans, has taken over the whole planet. No, it's not over.

    Can you get to this? Problem is, you have to listen to the whole thing. Keep looking for something. It's there. Maybe a joint to go along with that wine…Coltrane was an acid head, you know.

    Didn't mean to be derogatory with the 'basic noise' term, I can totally get down to free jazz. Listened to 'Meditations', of all things, on the way home from work the other day. I had enough joints in college to get it.

    By 'basic noise' I mean that as you move along the 'free jazz' tangent, eventually the music is so deconstructed that there is no music. Most free jazz artists seem to stop before that point, but the point was that the end of the free jazz tangent sounds like the end of jazz to me. The combinations that are actually harmonic to some extent have reached a conclusion.

    Maybe I'm too rational about it, but I agree with your analysis above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post

    Didn't mean to be derogatory with the 'basic noise' term, I can totally get down to free jazz. Listened to 'Meditations', of all things, on the way home from work the other day. I had enough joints in college to get it.

    By 'basic noise' I mean that as you move along the 'free jazz' tangent, eventually the music is so deconstructed that there is no music. Most free jazz artists seem to stop before that point, but the point was that the end of the free jazz tangent sounds like the end of jazz to me. The combinations that are actually harmonic to some extent have reached a conclusion.

    Maybe I'm too rational about it, but I agree with your analysis above.
    Glad to hear it. Sorry I got it wrong.

    I don't know why it should be the end. Anyway, the progression is not from pretty music to noise. It's trying to use other sounds or combination of sounds. And influences from European modern classical music combined with improvisation.


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    Makes sense.

    That is something that I've noticed on Spotify and described in Ted Gioia's New Millennium section in his History of Jazz. Many new jazz artists are fuzing it's basic elements with other styles. Admittedly, not something I've looked into in depth yet, but if you were to tell me that was the future of jazz, I'd believe you.

    Although, at some point how you define what jazz actually is comes into question.

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